The R-27, specifically the R-27ER genus, is a massive problem in war thunder. Currently, it is the newest missile from real life in war thunder (as my research leads me to believe), and the most powerful weapon in the game. The R-27ER was first put into service in 1983, which is pretty late on. While some may say that the AIM-7M was first produced in 1982, the disparity between how these missiles perform and act is insane. Most avoidance methods will not work against the R-27ER. For example, it commonly ignores when planes are notching and dumping chaff, kinetic maneuvers, and if you even stray away from the ground in top tier, you are bound to be hit by one of these. In conclusion, I think there needs to be a solution, but I’m not sure of one.
It doesn’t avoid notching. It just has IOG and nobody knows how to avoid that (change direction after notch break, nose up or down depending on alt)
If you’ve been keeping up to date you’ll know there are FOX-3 missiles being added soon which will be at least as good if not surpass the R-27ER in usefulness so there isn’t really anything to do now.
This is off topic really. 12.0 planes having R-27ER missiles is still a insanely prevalent issue.
This is blatantly untrue. IOG is insanely easy to avoid. The problem is that the missile genuinely avoids chaff and notching sometimes. You can get lucky sometimes, but it isn’t that easy. A video from seek discusses this topic at the end of the video, here
I don’t think so. They aren’t that unavoidable until multi-pathing is removed.
I mean, multi-pathing probably will get removed, and, if it does, I think this will really show how insanely good these missiles are.
R-27ERs can’t kill me anymore than any other SARH, they are rather useless against knowledge.
R-27ER and AIM-7M/P/F are effectively the same for the sake of War Thunder.
Both are notched, currently both are multi-pathed though M forward have better seekers IRL, both easily defeated.
Which is why the best loadout for Mig-29G is 6x R-73s, or 2x R-27ETs with the R-73s.
I think saying R-27ER missiles are useless is purely ignorant.
no, 4.0 M max speed and 25G pull compares to 5.8 M max speed and 35G pull. Definitely not even close. AIM-7M is only SARH, R-27ER has SARH, IOG, and DL. Saying those are effectively the same is ridiculous and extremely ignorant. Multipathing is perfectly viable for now, but if it gets fixed its going to be insane. Also, nobody wants to fly 20m off the ground all match. Saying that multi-pathing is a solution is true, but it doesn’t excuse the fact the ER suppresses people from climbing and therefore gaining advantages and lots of time, the element of surprise.
DL isn’t implemented in the game for SARHs, so that’s irrelevant.
And IOG is temporary.
If multipathing is fixed R-27ER performs the same as it doesn’t have a inverse monopulse seeker.
R-27ER is the 2nd easiest missile to avoid dying to in top BR battles.
fair, but, since its in game, I could guess its going to be implemented
im not sure what this means, either its being taken out of game or it only works for short periods of time, regardless.
I don’t know where you found this information, but I do know that “Missile cannot be fired at altitude less than 3 km (1.9 mi) against a target with background earth”, which would make this check out. Can you list RADAR missiles that are harder to dodge than the R-27ER in top BR air RB battles, as listing IR missiles in reference to a subject about an OP RADAR missile would be irrelevant
Time will tell, and by the time it’s added it won’t matter.
It’ll never be used either, cause getting a squad mate to lock a target for your R-27ER is going to be unlikely.
Radar missiles are the easiest missiles to defeat in the game at every BR they’re at.
Pulse-radars? Chaff.
PDH radars? Notch/chaff/terrain-follow/crank/etc.
PDAA radars? Same but cranking is less reliable.
yes but by the time 3 missiles have been launched on me I’ve ran out of chaff because I’m getting the life spammed out of me. Also, remarking back to the ER, its very viable against planes that are still notching and chaffing, and its INSANELY hard to crank the ER. Disregarding multi-pathing and regarding the fact that not all maps have terrain to hide behind, the ER is still very powerful. You probably have a 50% chance of getting a ER off of you in top tier flying at 1500M. It is much easier to dodge a 7M which is much slower and can’t turn as well.
R-27ER has never been hard to defeat, then again I learned from DCS how to defeat R-77s and AMRAAMs, then backtranslated how to defeat SARHs.
I die to an R-27ER less than once a month playing top BR air. AIM-7F/M is the same lethality.
R-60Ms are more lethal than both.
All 12.0 Jets should lose their R-27ER and gaijin should add R73 as a compensation.
It’s not a problem if it’s realistic. Why do you think everyone’s glued to the ground? This will get even worse with the addition of new Fox 3s.
Even with the missiles you can defeat more easily, accurate rolls with high energy, accurate notching in the midst of the kerfuffle are hard to do - yes against single enemy, not against 16 at all sides, so you want to eliminate one source of threat anyways.
Yes, it’s boring and limiting but this is the way flying works when missiles become really good. It’s not that much of a plane pilot thing now - now it’s a match between BVR radar and the missiles.
If you hate this just keep yourself at 10.7, 11.0 or whatever is the level you see Migs 23 armed with R-27ER reasonably rarely
No, they shouldn’t be moved to 12.7 as you desire.
They need to stay 12.0.
I said they should stay and 12.0 but without R-27ER. R73 can compensate the loss of R-27ER.
No it isn’t. R-73 makes them 12.7, see Mig-29SMT and Mig-29G.
R-27ER is what makes them 12.0, without it they’re 11.7.
I would very much like to know how.
If I get an R27 shot at me and I am not below 60 meters, I very simply die.
I put the launching aircraft at either 9 or 3 o clock precisely using my RWR but the missile is never notched, it always tracks and just straight up kills me.
I do not understand what I am doing wrong
You need to chaff and then change directions as well. Notching won’t make you invisible.
I try to fly at Fox3 levels on maps like Afghanistan (Sim EC) - nothing better to defend against a missile than putting a mountain in its path… ;-)