If your talking about the buk being bad let me tell you that I got hit and killed on my airfield while landing btw.
It’s so funny to me that right at the moment when the us almost catches up to russia (agm84h are not on th same level as kh38mt’s o hope everyone understands that) russia get’s a new anti air with 48 small missiles made for intercepting air to ground ordinance.
I’ve never claimed Buk was bad, because I faced a Buk for over an hour figuring out its missiles.
Ultimately, I determined it was good, and an excellent counter to fixed wing CAS at 12.7 and 13.0.
Is it the best? Dunno, maybe, maybe not, but it was good enough.
I’ve noticed for a long time that with almost every patch they keep nerfing CAS. I’ve created many threads about this and written a lot, but I still don’t understand the logic. NATO aircraft and helicopters were never that overpowered at top tier. Their guns are nerfed, their missiles are nerfed — to reliably kill someone you usually have to launch at least two, preferably three. Then they added free SPAA, and now this new nonsense.
Honestly, I don’t see any reason to play anything except Russia. If their goal is to push all US mains into grinding Soviet vehicles, then that’s probably the plan. But as usual, I’m not going to spend any more money on them.
Yes and it’s so fun that russia always get a op counter every time nato gets a new ground ordinance. Stupid
wow sherlock, adding strong vehicle to garbage lineup is done to BENEFIT the lineup?! How can they do such thing!
Huh?
logic is: CAS OP, CAS nerfed, want cas go air rb. Simple as that
Depend on which Nation CAS is OP?
Devs believe CAS is OP as whole. US CAS with 100 planes with AGM65s could win the games by themselves, as USSR could win games by only Kh38 first weeks it was added. Its a problem so they try dancing around it as they can.
? Did i say something wrong?
lol Take this from someone that mained top CAS from 2020 - September 2024. NATO CAS was notoriously OP.
In 2022 they added CCIP to GBUs which made 11,000 meter altitude runs easy.
It wouldn’t be until Pantsir balanced F-14B, but F-16C was already in the game for months and could do loops around Pantsir missiles, let alone out-range its initial 13km effective range [now 16km].
I can actually count how many times I died to SPAA from the end of 2021 to November 2024. I’ve died to more fighters in one month playing fixed wing CAS in ground than I have in the entirety of the game to top SPAA.
Pantsir, along with many 12.0 SPAA are nice counters to AGM-65D CAS.
Honestly, I never have any reason to play Soviets [Russia’s not a tech tree] because the teams are too reliant on CAS and all it takes is any good enemy team to just out-spawn point a CAS team.
The reason I stopped playing CAS is cause I was so bored of the gameplay loop. Fly, get some frags, land, do it again or J-out on runway out of boredom.
And that negative experience is why I haven’t returned to playing CAS. I know it won’t be like that anymore, but the boredom is still strong in my memory despite it being a year and a half later.
Me when I ignore the perfectly fine lineup by calling it garbage cuz it benefits my agenda. Please do explain how the Russian top tier lineups are garbage!
Simple. They only have ONE!!! competitive MBT, and just TWO!!! of them are considered 12.7 while also being amongst worst possible machines there. Forced to use 12.0 machines (e.g. SINGLE T-80U (excluding premium)) and 11.3 machine (72B3) with their top tier tank lineup, which arent even that good at their own ranks, they are possibly worst tree to grind Spawn Points for CAS. And whilist CAS is strong and SPAA are strong, Kh38 stopped singlehandedly win games within first month of its addition, let alone after IRIS was added.
So we`re left with garbage tank lineup with strong SPAAs and strong CAS. Which looks to me as just garbage lineup.
I don’t think the people who keep saying CAS was overpowered are completely right. A lot depends on the player’s skill and experience. Even if you give a supposedly overpowered helicopter or aircraft to an average player, they won’t achieve much with it.
In my view, every team should have one or two strong players who can carry and push the match toward victory, while the rest of the team supports them. It seems like the developers want to directly nerf the truly dominant players, but instead they tighten the screws so much on average players that many of them are now afraid to even take off and use CAS. They just sit back and rely on artillery.
At the same time, SPAA feels five times stronger and extremely cheap. That’s what I would actually call overpowered. Where is the fairness in that? Right now CAS effectiveness has dropped significantly. Most players spawn aircraft just to get a single kill, maybe shoot down a helicopter, and then die immediately.
From a gameplay perspective this feels very unrealistic and honestly quite absurd. Because of this, I’m not really motivated to play top tier anymore, even though it’s frustrating considering how much time I already invested into grinding these vehicles.
I mean… this is my top tier Soviet lineup, and I think it’s better how it is than with CAS.
I don’t think I’ve touched it in a while though, but when I do it’s this lineup.
My British lineup looks hilariously identical as well.
Japan has a good SAM’s like the Type 03 and Tan-SAM Kai.
Also Japan has this.
with KH-38’s
So “Japan” arguement doesn’t count anymore.
Tan-SAM Kai is pointless for 12.7, and there’s no 12.0 lineup for it.
But yes, Japan have the Kh-38 slinger too.
If we were to specifically look at the 12.7 MBTs per nation (putting aside whether they should be 12.7 or not), Germany has 3, Sweden has 4, and France has 5. Everything has two, or in the case of Israel have one. The T-80Us, T-72B3s, and T-90A remain viable even at top tier as well, much like other non 12.7 vehicles in other nations. I’d argue both the T-80BVM and T-90M are competitive, but the T-80BVM is less-so than the T-90M I agree, although I don’t believe the disparity is extreme. It’s a viable lineup regardless, just like all the other nations. It could use with some more higher rank MBTs for sure, but it’s not a garbage lineup without them.
As for the lineup as a whole, the Terminators are there and viable at any BR, even the highest of top tier. The Sprut too, as it remains viable still with all its bells and whistles.
When it comes to CAS the Kh-38MT is still very much viable, even with the high amount of interceptions these danger sticks are fast, lost ranged, and potent killers even if the are as plentiful as other munitions. If you’ve ever seen the runway Kh-38 spam you know what I mean. There’s also the godly Mi-28NM, which I consider apart of their potent CAS lineup.
The lineup isn’t the best of the best, but it’s not the worst. I’d say it could use with some bolstering for the MBTs sure, but the addition of the new Pantsir is not what the lineup needed, which is also in accordance with the points you’ve made.
Tbh I dont know… I dont have it. In general I’m on the opinion that if you don’t own and played set vechicle, you don’t comment on its effectivenes, but so much people does these days and tell us that “you dont need to have in order to know is overrperforming/good/op (or wathever they cool the new flavor of the month)”…
Thats the problem: USSR has one of the worst MBTs possible yet they have only ONE good mbt at top tier. And their further options are LESS viable than others: Germany picks 2a5/2a6/2a7/2PSO, all of which share same strengths, while 2a7 being better armored frontally much. US picks 12.0 M1A2 and HSTVL/M1A1HC which are basically same with SEP V2, when you remove additional armor from sides of SEP. Sweden isnt even a great joke here with their three OP STRV122 and 2a6. But USSR is left to pick either 80U which starts getting penned UFP, has 20* rotation 2* vertical aim speed; 72B3 which has -4, starts gettingpenned UFP and has 7s reload, or… Nuthing as everything other is just worse than those two, which are already bad. If we exclude the premiums of course, but then lets count US and German premiums too…
Well earlier lineups, that dont meet top tier cas and SPAA, can be judged differently, but i still find it hard to call T-80U a better MBT than M1A1 HC. THen again when we talk about TOP TOP tier its like that
No doubt that! But then again it is now countered, as AGM65s are. And countered with BEST FNF SPAAs ingame tho.
Its definetly not the worst, but it is amongst worst
