I thought that the Buk M3 was the best SPAA in game, Russia never needed a new SPAA, epessialy this new Pantsir SV. This must be the biggest proof of all time, that Gajin loves Russia. They said that the Russians SPAA was bad, but i dont know, the buk is performing well
Question: with the recent update they updated the armor profile of Ariette. Did it get better?
Tell us you dont own BUK without telling it to others. :D
It is horrible. Could be swapped on 12.0 and basic pantsir to 12.3 , and no more free pantsirs.
2nd worst stats of top tier aa’s… And I dont wonder why
Buff on upper plate and nerf on turret :D
tbh bro all those “issues” u mentioned are so minimal or straight up unimportant. “we lack external fuel tank on necessary aircraft” said no one ever
u mean LDIRCCM? yea they kinda are overperforming, I can agree on that, especially the one on Mi28NM (but no bias tho, trust)
there are way cooler SPAA for other nation that actually NEEDS it, but nah Russia need a new toy cuz Buk and pantir isnt good enough (even tho buk is hands down the best SPAA for shooting down high flying aircraft and Pantsir is the best SPAA in the game at countering Heli, now 2nd to the new pantsir)
If adding a vehicle a tech tree doesn’t need, and calling a good vehicle bad is proof of favoritism:
F-15A was moved down despite already being better than most 13.0s.
F-16C Block 52 Pobit was added despite F-18E and F-15C GE already existing at 14.3.
The standards illustrated in your post can be used for other vehicles in other tech trees.
I love that F-16 got added.
@Make_a_wish_kid
Then protest by not spawning CAS in your ground matches.
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for one, I dont play top tier thanks to BMPT, and two, US top tier CAS sucks ass so I dont play CAS anyway. AH64E is okay I guess but now that the pantsir 2.0 is here, im not even gona try to fight it, its suicide
wow russia CAS and SPAA is back on top again, certainly not the first time (no bias tho) :)
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Type-03 and Type-81 are far from good SPAA as someone that has used both of them
Type-81 suffers from comically bad range and a radar that more often than not makes it harder to target aircraft vs just leaving it off and manually searching/firing
Type-03 is good on paper but only on paper as the way it works leaves a minimum range of about 6km for slow targets and for things like missiles you pretty much have to fire at them from past 10km as otherwise the missile wont turn in time to start tracking due to its flight profile that has it lofting stupidly high for short range shots
Easily id say the BUK is better than the Type-03 simply because it fires the missiles at an angle instead of VLS which gets it on a intercept path significantly faster than the Type-03 does
No, i dont have it, but i read somewere that the buk was op, i think from the devblogs and answers and YT Youtubers saying this.
If the buk is underperforming, why you all complaining that the New Pantsir Sv was added. Or are you all just complaying that it is unessery becouse we have the Pantsir Truck?
The F15A, I dont own it yet, but it has Aim7M and 9M, at 13.0. The youtuber @The_avarage_wt_player said that SARH missels at 13.0 is hell, but i dont know i dont own it. The F16C PoBit was added as they said that US missels is not good enough, even tho many players says that the missels arent correct in WT, but yeah, adding a F16C PoBit was kinda unnessery, but porbably for a rank 9 jet.
I own it and its near useless lol, ur going up against Fox3 and R27ER on regular basis, ur dead in the water despite having good airframe. People are gona point to “oh but u have aim9m” yea thats not gona save u. No HMD also hurts too
12.7 is a good and needed change for it
F16C PoBit is a DOA, dont even bother tbh, its quite literally the same case as F15C vs F15C GE. Upgraded radar should NOT be a reason for .7 BR increase. Though I gotta say the F15C GE is pretty okay now and is deserving of 14.3 cuz it got more missile hardpoints and more countermeasures, its doing much better than when it was first added. F16C PoBit on the other hand, is hardcore DOA
I’m still waiting on the rollout of said properties for the FIM-92, it’s been almost two years at this point.
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Yeah and I saw someone claiming ariete is most survivable top tier MBT and abrams armour model is same as in real life. It still doesnt make em true claims.
Personally I would rather took buff on BUK instead new pantsir and also move basic pantsir to 12.3 so there wouldnt be free pantsir spam.
The only toptier SPAA that is not affected by the over-use of multipathing is the only IR guded toptier with a good range, the IRIS-T. But with the spam of Mi-28NM, that will overly destroy any non-russian SPAA, the air-coverage is assumed.
So toptier is ruined by CAS, but only on the russian side. I would love to see at the end of the month the win rate of USSR going up by I think at least 5 to 10%.
The matter fact is not deletig CAS so all good, but the lack of aquivalent in NATO/ countried that face USSR; this is where I find “russian bias”, the devs located is Russia has logically a better access to russian sources, mosstly over their own materials ( logic ). So they will have a tendancy to publish more about their things.
We can see by the number of prototypes in-game ; Russia as clearly a LOTS of them. Well, since (as I think) most of the player base is from USA, we get more suggestion from them, and because USA loves to have prots, USA is the only country that revalize against Russia/USSR in those numbers. (sadly I don’t have enough battery on my laptop to count them).
And honestly 46 missiles is gigantic. Amo crates should be reworked for their sizes, because toptier SPAA such as the OTOMATIC clearly needs it, but that Pantsir SV is way too OP to get access to that.
The new pantsir missile is actually REALLY easy to dodge if you see it coming. Also 50G is kinda a statcard lie, pulls 40-45g at most, still really good. moreover i’d like to say the the track radar is really bugged, you can almost never lock targets beyond 20km and it constantly loses lock and doesn’t switch targets (like the cs sa 5)
You can’t blame Gaijin if NATO and Western countries don’t prioritise the design and development of such systems.
I played A LOT of Japan toptier. And there is just 2 things I want to say : Tan SAM Kai is by far the worst toptier SPAA: his missiles are just too weak for targets over 6KM far, and for some reasons neither ARh or IR missiles will hit an heli with MAW. Even if it is a visual lock with the IR, the flares still make it go anywhere. And for some reasons, heli’s sometimes (especially the ones with anti-heat devices on their engines, forgot the name) can’t be lock at 3km even if they are “stratospheric” as I call the not very smart heli player that don’t even touch his keyboard and go multiple kilomter up (yes we all see those Ka-50). It even happens that a stinget, or even a strella system has a lock BEFORE the 11.7 and 12.0 system. and the bot aiming the missiles when you use the multi-vehicle will do everything to send this missile that has a gigantic drop into the ground (partially fixed bust still trash) or in nearby houses (poor civilians) and as for the Type-03, it has a bigger warhead than a Buk, but as less than half of the explosive mass inside, in war thunder (yes, I know there is a difference between we-arhead because there is the fuze and all)
The Buk missile (9M317M) weight 581kg which is 2 less kg than the Type 03 ( in WT).
After what I’ve seen the combat unit of the 9M317M, the combat unit is 63kg, 10kg less than the Type 03.
(part of a post I made months ago about it)
but this is not a part of this discussion. All i want to say is that seen the actual meta (multipathing for jets and heli’s) the only nice thing about it is it’s range and speed if you find someone not smart enough to notch or chaff the missile.
Compare those 2 spaa against the 3 toptier spaa or Russia : Buk (insane range, fuze range, speed, and close range trust vectoring), Pantsir, Pantsir SM SV.
AS I always says, the issue is the lack of counterpart in other countries. Same issue for the BMPT.
This pantsir really ought to be 14.3
top tier should have been there a couple years ago by now
Loner did a perfect video showing off the Pantsir SM-SV’s capabilities
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vKH7-6wZFTw
It’s 2026. Russia in War Thunder has once again.
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The best SPAA by a lot, coupled with two other SPAAs who are competent/good. All of whom perform vastly above the performance we’ve seen IRL so far. So once again everyone else gets absolutely clapped when they go up in the sky.
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The strongest coastal and blue water line up. Which makes sense, since Russia was always known to be the pre-eminent naval power throughout history and ruled the seas.
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The singular best heli launched missile. Which has little to do with the real life missile that shares the name.
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On a platform that has a magic DIRCM bubble that does not work the way it does IRL, and even deals with missiles meant to be highly resistant of not outright immune to it. And entire swarms of it, rather than a single one at a time.
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The best plane launched missile, which likely is entirely fictional and does not exist.
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The BMPT which has NONE of the accuracy issues, belts artificially cut to prevent ammo racking, and a bunch of other absurd things.
Meanwhile NATO stuff from the SPAA to IFV and missiles are artificially gimped. The Brimstone doesn’t get it’s FAF capabilities, most of the ATGM get lofting values 1/4 that of the Russian ones, NATO auto cannons get their IRL fire rate but the same accuracy as the Russian auto canons, and so on and on.
Oh yeah, and “special Russian diesel less likely to explode”, “wet ammo storage tank carousels”, and so on and on. Anyone who pretends there isn’t clear and rapidly escalating bias is just willfully ignoring it at this point.
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will also say the boxer is supposed to be able to ignore russian 30mm fire almost entirely too. however you can 14.5mm it in places
Don’t forget about the Su-30SM2 which has been given every possible advantage.
- Double rack R-77-1
- the more powerful engines
- the IBRIS radar (also at full strength whilst others have been deliberately limited)
- the favourable FM
- the high spawn speed
Etc etc
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