Funny how Russia got the best IR spaa (strella, when other nations had chaparral and manpads), saclos spaa (pantsir), then got the best CAS (kh38 slingers and ldircm mi28nm, when ah64e and z10me ldircm didnt work), and now they go again with the best saclos spaa (which can perform better than some multi vehicle spaas). Buk its not op, but also not mediocre.
Also in sim ground it will be more f- up than it is rn. Blue team in top tier will get more unplayable.
Also another fun fact, in ground sim while blie team has roland 1, ussr has 2s6.
Every time someone claims I have bad takes, they never, never list ANY of them.
Even here, I have no disagreements beyond minor pedantic things that I’m not actually focusing too much on.
I’m stating the same things you are, just focusing on the different portions and goal.
I want CAS spawning deterred as a whole, across the game.
I want the only CAS players the ones that know what they’re doing, and I want everyone that knows how to play tanks better to fear SPAA on the enemy team.
I want that fear to be real, like it was when ITO-90 was first released.
I’m not a “tank only game mode” dude, but I am very much a deter CAS players as much as possible because spawning tanks is better for team play dude.
To be completely and entirely fair, if I were to want to list them, I’d have trouble doing so. Given they’re ratioed, I couldn’t refer to your high liked comments section. You’re also an extremely active forums user with a lot of comments, so going through them all would be troublesome. I myself have witnessed quite a few, but I can’t recall them as it’s been some times since I’ve come across any, as well as that it’s of the less important things in life I tend not to remember. This be the issue for them is what I’m getting at
Still gives me nightmares, luckily they’re a lot easier to deal with since they’ve gone up but boy oh boy I sure do love facing a missile that can’t be decoyed at all by countermeasures and can’t be outmaneuvered by subsonic or barely supersonic platforms!
I’m still genuinely befuddled that gaijin decided to combine the 2S6 with this 2S6M1 as a modification. Genuinely makes no sense as to why they don’t split them, given they’d have separate BRs if done. Maybe I’m missing some War Thunder historical context as to why that was done at the time, but it doesn’t really suit the game now.
It doesn’t help that I don’t have formatting in my old posts that don’t contain any of my takes.
The vast, vast majority of my posts don’t contain any of my takes to begin with.
They contain what others have said that were true at the time of the post to an extent.
They contain other peoples’ tactics, and preferences.
Cause the few times I do state a take, it’s after long deliberation with available information.
Like most of my air RB takes being stated by some of the best air RB players as well. Many to most of them were obtained from those players and I agreed after a batch of critical thinking.
All of my CAS takes in War Thunder were pretty much said by everyone at some point as well. Literally zero of my CAS takes saw any pushback, because we as a community were pretty much in lock step.
And now here. While sure, we’re arguing over pedantics, we’re all in agreement that everyone needs as many top SPAA options as possible.
Yes, Pantsir SMSV is worse against FCAS, but it’s the best against munitions, by far the best against munitions.
And the munitions defeating meta is something I’m seeing and thinking “I wonder what other nations can bring to the table if this is the future of anti-CAS gameplay…”
The most absurd thing about this missile is that it can retain the main PEAK speed of Aster-30 for almost its entire flight time (20+ seconds of Mach 4 speeds), while Aster’s peak velocity begins to drop off after 5 seconds. This is crudely modeled, and once again, Gaijin is nerfing Western equipment for no reason.
Nope, them deciding to do it (incorrectly btw, a thing that required a few fixes in the future AFAIR) in that exact moment and more than that providing immediate substitute for it and only for 1 tech tree in the entire game - is a big, glowing red sigh with some neon arrows pointing at it.
Nope, munitions is second priority for this one. It’s made to ground all helicopters and will be very successful with it. I’ll remind that it’s the only missile that you can’t dodge by hovering low in a heli. At the same time there’s a lot of maps where you can see heli spawn from the tank spawn.
Not to toot my spyder’s horn but….
It is pretty crazy to see aster-30 underperforming the derby er at longer ranges. Rare Israel w. (Love it) but yeah the new pantsir’s Mach Jesus missile is pretty crazy with how little drag it has comparatively to everything else that’s in game (though it does have a very small war head and fuse activation only from radar lock so it has some not overwhelming capabilities compared to its fnf counterparts)
That post isn’t equating Tan-SAM Kai to Pantsir.
That last sentence never mentions Pantsir as that isn’t the point of that sentence.
I also think Tan-SAM Kai is at a weird BR of 12.0, especially when I feel CSSA5 seems like a better SPAA.
So yeah, good example of a good take from me. Tan-SAM Kai isn’t equal to Pantsir.
That post has no mention of Pantsir either.
On top of that, the only take from me in that post is “You’re supposed to compare SPAA to the CAS they have to deal with.”
It’s also missing a word I realize. It’s supposed to say “potentially equal”, because it’s not my take.
So am I correct in saying that Tan-Sam Kai is not equal to Pantsir?
double spawn with backup o.o
