None of your ‘IRL’ points matter, also some arguments you made are 100% made up, the mi28 was added at the same time as the AH64E and Z10ME, with all having the ‘magic dircm’.
Russia does have the best heli Fnf missile, in some metrics, also the JAGM 179 just has more loft. Russian cas is only carried by kh38, the platform itself sucks compared to ef platform and rafale.
I’ve seen many videos of t80’s reloading in a matter of 4 seconds, russian navy only has a 2.2 % higher winrate than america, it’s neglible.
Yak9K is already 4.7 it’s good but not crazy good.
That Tactical Aircraft, especially those using Soviet doctrine (as the MIM-104 was designed to deal with) tend not to swarm the same way we’ve seen with Missiles and Drones do In Ukraine or across the Gulf or as seen in WT.
And that as the closure rate increases the effectively defensible footprint shrinks rapidly which effects how one would set up a battery to protect an area / point of interest.
It’s also somewhat questionable how you are asserting that a miss had actually occurred considering that we don’t know what the tactical picture looks like. And so assessing if it was truly failing to intercept or runs out of ammo so can no longer perform its role isn’t readily able to be asserted.
is it even approaching a prospective 20% rate of engagement( as seen with Gulf war SCUD kill rates), let alone interception; probably not. But Patriots are operating well outside their design constraints (otherwise THAAD wouldn’t exist) as part of a layered IADS in this role, especially lacking cueing of Theater level Static radar sites.
And so which variant of the MIM-104 missile are they loaded with? GEM(M91A3) has a very different performance and role to ERINT ((X)M400) missiles. There is no point expending missiles on targets that are known to not be able to be intercepted.
It isnt disclosed what variant of the missile they were using, it was just becoming increasingly obvious they were getting overwhelmed. Not to mention FPV drones manging to skirt all of that in a few instances.
Could you quote what youre referring too in this reply so I know precisely what youre referring too?
This pretty much sums up all the problems with current SAM systems in game. Its why I said adding the Patriot wouldnt change anything.
Russia is in a completely different envrionment that they have vehicles designed for, the other countries are just getting a taste for this and svrambling to devolop something for these kind of threats.
DCS doesnt treat the Pantsir as an inferior system and its actually quite lethal, and thats a game dedicated to simulation. So it begs the question why the average WarThunder player thinks its a wonder weapon of sorts.
I understand the patriot may have different missiles for different purposes but Russias SACLOS missile is multi purpose in what it can engage. Kind of like MPAT ammo.
It would though, because it would give the US Tree a Long range system to backstop the NASAMS & eventual M-SHORAD to form a properly layered defense.
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Just because Air Defense Artillery Brigades & batteries don’t field much in the way of short range systems, doesn’t mean other units have no bespoke capability organically, that are better suited to tackling the drone threat.
DCS also has many more options to perform SEAD / DEAD than WT does, and has the capability to just leave the threat area and still impact a Mission. Aircraft in WT won’t find any way to progress match objectives anywhere else on the map outside intercepting other aircraft in a CAP role so the impact of doing so is minimal.
Because it outstrips every other system that has so far been implemented in utility by a massive margin due to having a confluence of ground breaking systems that counterparts for are still yet to turn up;
An AESA Tracking radar (J band, doesn’t show up on many contemporary RWRs as a secondary benefit)
Large quantity of Long range, fast SACLOS guided missiles
High rate of fire Cannons for ordnance interception in the terminal phase as a backup
For example the ADATS(No tracking radar), LAV-AD(No radar, No missiles) & NASAMS / CLAWS(No Gun) each only has arguably one of each feature (and even then the argument that the Pantsir is far superior in each category is arguable)
People want SEAD but the game isnt ready for it because of conflicting idea’s with the playerbase.
They know these SAMS wont be useful unless there in an envrionment where they can do what theyre supposed too. Basically bigger maps, but players dont want bigger maps and want mostly close quarters combat.
Yes, but those systems arent up to the Pantsirs level and are just new devolopments due to the changing nature. The Pantsir has been around for more than a decade and I only say this because everyone keeps asking for that western “equivalent” when there really isnt one.
Sure americas got a Stryker with stingers and hellfires because thats totally not a stopgap…
Laser weapons? Usually requires distance and time to eliminate
Well, they are. The issue is that there is no Russian equivalent to the Shrike or SideARM(Kh-28 is too big and only tracks specific static Radars that are not going to be implemented). And their options tend not be be widely available; where as, a pair (or two) of Shrikes can be carried on basically every single Airframe above 8.7 / 9.0 with few exceptions. And SideARM’s provide an option to Harriers and Helicopters.
The M-SHORAD has an AESA radar array with Hemispheric coverage out to 30km & 200RPM 30mm HE-VT sorts all potential issues with intercepting stores, giving other longer ranged systems space to breath. And Stinger / Hellfire provides IR-SAMbush & Anti-tank capability.
So why was it added if there is no counterpart? And if we’re going for dissimilar balancing where are the other systems with a specific edge over other systems as the majority of other relevant systems are pretty evenly matched with few if any novel capabilities. And it’s not like NATO gets reduced cost CAP loadouts or some other form of compensation to account for doctrine, either.
Not in game apparently, We’ve got a number of examples now of how L-DIRCM is modeled, and DEWs are basically the same thing (Basically is doing a lot of very heavy lifting here) in principle.
I don’t know what’s more hilarious, you claiming “you saw videos of T80s reloading in 4 seconds” when that is physically impossible for them to do and they have the fastest most optimal reload rate the auto loader allows already, or claiming the Yak 9K and co are fine because “It’s 4.7” right now when people take it to 7.x and 8.x and still vaporize tanks with it.
Or that some other Russia mains upvoted this post.
Helis can do this to pretty much everyone, though I will say it also depends on the skill of the enemy SAM system too I would wager (IE moving around when not engaging).
meanwhile, against more “conventional” style gameplay for the BR (also, gl ofc if you want to use brimstone lol)
I do wonder… would a good pantsir sm-sv player be able to do a similar defensive operation against a rocket attack? The rockets have to climb pretty high to arc over, giving the SAM a lot of time to detect and fire?
1- Having the allegedly best SPAA, and I’m going to stick to alleged, doesn’t mean anything when all tech trees have SPAA capable of dealing with FCAS.
Helicopters need fixing then all tech trees have SPAA to deal witht hose.
2- Tied with USA, France, Japan, Britain, and China.
3- This is largely alleged and subjective. I’ve seen videos of both AH-64Es and Mi-28NMs performing identically.
4- Tied with Japan.
5- These nations also have their highest reload rate while being significantly faster than Soviets/Russia:
USA, Israel, Japan, China, France, Italy, Britain. The only tanks that don’t are Leopard 2s, which are still faster than T-90M.
6- Largely subjective on the bluewater portion. Coastal they’re tied with Germany for everything, and USA, Japan, and Britain have at least as good torpedo boats.
7- Identical to planes of other tech trees.
Zulu has 76 hydras so it will either fail or its ammo will get stripped off really quick. Also at short ranges (4-5km) they dont need to climb high. Best strategy is to change position. Even slight movement can save vehicle because hydra doesnt have much explosives. Good thing spaa players sometimes forget they have movement keys. Zulu is fed.
