The problem with the Pantsir is it’s ability to shoot down hundreds of incoming missiles and bombs while also working as a medium range SAM
The Pantsir needs LOS to deal with helis, just like other SACLOS SAMs
The things that are needed to counter helis is a (L)DIRCM nerf, proper radar and heat signatures for helis and blufor systems that can properly intercept munitions, not some SACLOS missiles that might be able to catch a heli
still wasnt mounted on the ITO and gaijin’s logic on “a platform can use it hence every other platform should use it too” its just a thing for lazy copy and paste and balance
Best we could hope for is the 4-tube variant of Roland with HFK, we would still be bottlenecked by the radar lock range. HFK has as much range as the new Pantsir missile, but it is held back by Roland’s radar set.
4 tubes, surely this will save the blufor nations
there’s not a “Proryv-4/Proryv-5” T-90M, Proryv-3 is the latest and most advanced tank Russia has, after that there’s T-90M2 with better reverse speed but that’s a completely different model.
they had turret baskets irl, Gaijin is just adding what they should have had a long time ago, russian tanks don’t have turret baskets irl, just autoloaders, which would as much limit the traverse since the autoloader is not especifically made to turn the turret (iirc nor even connected to the horizontal drive), but the weight of it would make it harder to turn, not stop it completely.
M1A2 SEP V2
Strv 122B+
btw Leos aren’t from Western, they’re from Eastern.
Not saying it is the savior, but man, it would be such an upgrade over VT-1 and having 2 missiles ready to fire. Mach 7 speeds are insane, it would erase most planes in less than 5 seconds.
isn’t it limited to 12km as much?
Oh it would be great against planes for sure, just not against the helis, which are the actual problem
Most helicopter pilots could not even blink before being shot down, just imagine a missile traveling at 2400 m/s when most helipads are around 4 kilometers away.
They will just start spawning at the far helipad
True but then they would make acquiring targets harder, most rear helipads are too far away to get a lock on tanks. Gaijin would have to increase the base lock range on IR missiles.
It would definitely be helpful to have a complete redesign of airfield positions as well as spawns for planes on like 95% of maps but given that this is gaijin and they dont do anything to maps other than “rework them” (read: visual update with big fat 0 of gameplay improvements) thats kinda out of the question.
SLM or BUK or other SPAAs seeing into your airfield on maps like sinai, test site, alaska, seversk, etc. is already a massive annoyance.
And making map size bigger isnt going to fix the fundamental issue that because we lack SEAD, LOAL or MITL (with the last one understandably not being added as it would be completely and utterly broken) the general way of dealing with SPAAs is to pop up, fire and pop down and hope that you had enough time to not die and your munitions dont get intercepted.
Which is well, not incredible. USA has finally gotten SLAMERs, something that should have been added in ages ago with the hornets at, at the cost that its been added at the same time as russia got its own “iron dome”.
i wouldnt be against that. I like playing SPAA and honestly the 95Ya6 is more than appropriate for top tier on a pantsir. Vast majority of my deaths are to tanks and not planes because in general a pantsir is more than capable of defending against most planes without much of an issue by playing smart.
Yep, in gaijins mind tho they had to fill up the non-existent gap at 12.7 as a repentance for giving Japan Kh38s
now i wouldnt exactly say that as it will always fall on who you are playing against, what map youre on and what plane are you flying.
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However adding another pantsir to a nation that didnt need it just so that they can spawn 4 of them back to back if they are petty is certainly a choice that should not have been done by anyone with a semi functional brain.
They still have the ability to point launch, don’t they?
With 8-16 missiles per re-arm there is no need to get precise locks, just spam the hell out of them
Imagine thinking a Su-27 shouldnt be good at dogfighting.
Lets review - R-77 is trash, so gaijin adds an R-77-1 that not only supercedes the previous model in every metric. Oh and here is a brand new jet and it can carry 14 of them.
Aim120 - Is kinda mid…here is a 120C model it’s only good in a straight line the A and B turn better…and now we have the D and it also worse than the A,B and C!
This is the logic of Gaijin.
So yes certainly recently Gaijin has hand held Russia, it is now even more so with average players consitently getting 6 + kills in air rb and topping the leaderboards.
Well “didn’t need it” is debatable.
CAS is still on top, so I’m not sure why it’s problematic that intercepting munition spam would be a problem.
I can easily say CAS “didn’t need” all these munitions to cluster and dwindle down the SAM systems. And then maybe the new Pantsir wouldn’t of been added because CAS itself is in a reasonable state.
And this goes for all nations, including Russia.
Not to mention this isn’t a direct consequence of ground, but the fact that Air players want their most modern iterations of these planes, so of course they are going to want modern missiles, AND munitions to go with it. The afterthought of having such diverse Surface to Ground options in the smaller envrionment of ground was a complete afterthought.
Imagine my shock when Gaijin adds an extremely powerful anti air vehicle after CAS gets free reign over the battlefield for a while lol
tbh R-77 sucks, R-77-1 was kinda needed (tho i don’t deny AMRAAMs suck in the current meta), i decided to go back to the old times with the Su-27SM and at least 2 of my kills in the Su-27SM are usually from R-27ER/ET instead of R-77, it has so trash range.
certainly not better than a F-16/18.
the problem is not Gaijin’s logic, but how Gaijin “balances” the new weapons and vehicles in the game.
irl AMRAAM is the top 1 best missile due to how good it is for BVR (which is actually alive irl, not like in WT where u rather play dogfights with missiles or just J out before entering the match).
AMRAAM is the best missile, but Gaijin destroyed it’s performance and made it useless by no reason. if Fox-3s were actually hard to dodge, NATO would stomp Russia in that area.
certainly rare to do +6 kills in ARB, the highest amount of kills i have ever done in a russian plane was 5 in the Su-30SM when it was first released.
It is like it doesn’t happen everytime
Literally everyones reaction when the Pantsir S-1 got added, but that was ONLY because people couldnt select air spawn, go into their camera, sling a few missles after a 15 seconds and then dive away. They actually had to use the airfield, use tactics, actually use their brain.
If the playerbase was willing for bigger maps than maybe there’d be a change, but if the players don’t want it, Gaijin aint’ doing it.
Like Air Players still complain about the Large maps like Vietnam, for what reason I don’t know.
Open space for BVR, optional ground targets, mountainous terrain, I mean like c’mon. It’s literally free real estate.
what other missile system has access to up to 96 (with ammo box) missiles to intercept munitions, a near hypersonic missile that flies at mach 3+ at 25km distance, a K-band search radar, can defend itself against ground and close air targets, is small in size and has smoke grenades to completely shut down IR/SAL weaponry.
I can understand a lot about “the CAS is on top so we need better interception system” but it rings extremely hollow when its about a vehicle from a nation that uses the best A2G missiles in the entire game while everyone else has rocket-unassisted glidebombs, mavericks, SLAMERs or SAL brimstones.
Trying to point to “but CAS is OP” in context of defending a system from a nation with the hands down most broken CAS in top tier is like saying “but this item is 20 dollars more expensive than this one” when youre a multi-billionaire. It simply doesnt matter.
the CAS having free reign over the battlefield was f*cking russian one. What the hell are you even on about. For more than a year top tier was getting completely turned upside down with Kh38s and now LMURs. Stop pretending like “oh but now that the SPAAs are getting better the CAS players are whining” because this is the most bad faith and stupid argument you could do.
The problem isnt that new SPAAs are being added, the problem is that a new SPAA is being added to a nation that didnt need another SPAA as it already had a very good SPAA in form of the regular truck pantsir