The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

Now, this is just a theory, but I can imagine that Gaijin is actually too lazy to model mmW guidance and multi-spectral smoke grenades

If the amount or power actually was a problem, we wouldn’t have the AASM Hammers and FnF heli spam

yeah do realise most people do not spend money on the game, also people who owns the premium BMPT are ass at the game and its so easy to kill when I play Nato, and Heli wise, most Pros will only take 6 Lumar and 4 Igla and btw Lumar is very slow, slower than agm179, you should just have spam at least 4 agm179 on one tank, I normally do 2 on each tank and rearms, so technically is not the best like you said, SPAA wise, BUK M3 is literal rubbish, can’t even hit anything compare to other spaa, beside both US spaa ofc, I mean CAS wise, every country is op if there is no spaa which happens all the time for Nato team so whats your argument

Pretty similar to radar guided AShM

And by the way, the best heli is the Chinese, they literally have both the AH64E and the Z10ME which is the best heli in the meta if you are a top tier nerd like me which knows, its light and agile and have the best air to air missile for heli and have decent to good ATGM

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well is nice to have ngl, I’ll take the track hull anytime over the truck hull

Yet people still do, and Russian premiums have always had a theme of being really good for their BR (especially around 10.3 :P)

Quite the deflection. Russia’s 11.3 WR is damn near 60%, huge jump from the BMPT. To say it’s not an issue is ignorance.

To fire 10 munitions instead of 8, + the Igla is a fine missile on its own. Less time spent reloading = more missiles sent downrange.

It’s also the most effective AGM in the game. What’s your point?

No it’s not. It’s plenty fine for it’s BR. You’re only complaining because the IRST is marginally better. The missile is damn near multipath proof.

The SLAMRAAM and NASAMS are both average SPAAs. The only redeeming factor on them is the 9X.

You get the fastest AGM with a very potent warhead, and being SAP-HE it ignores NERA due to overpressure. Mavericks are much slower and dont trigger overpressure as theyre Tandem HEAT projectiles. Not to mention, 38MTs 1. don’t exist, and 2. are on a plethora of very good aircraft which makes them super effective at top tier.
The speed and warhead type make it literally the best AGM in the game. No nation has a counterpart that has as much speed or destructive power. Because it’s so fast, it’s harder to intercept and harder to dodge.
Blaming it on “not spawning SPAA” is also a deflection, and a very lazy one at that.
Also don’t group NATO together, most of the time Russia has at least a few NATO members on its team. Independent nations should be equal to one-another ingame.

Contradiction saying they have the single best, while then naming 2. The Mi28 is the best solely because of the LMUR.
No clue why you’re bringing this up either. China isn’t imbalanced because their tanks are abysmal and their CAS is very lacking apart from a few exceptions.

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thats true for only the premium line, and now its gone 10.3 is not broken, the tech tree 10.3 vehicle is some what mid I did say, take the old 10.3 for example, both T-72B and 1989 have no zoom and literally suck balls I would say, the T64BV back in 9.7 or 10.0 now 10.3 performs way better than both T-72, that leaves Bmp-2m, its good, but not that good if your enemy is a vet, basically a free kill, you are talking about how broken the premium tech trees are and I totally agrees because gaijin wants to profit off pay to win, but what you are saying is the whole 10.3 is broken thats just simply not true, but I do agree Nato need more vehicles around that br range especially Germany, the problem here is 10.3 is not op, but it have a actual line up where Russian main like myself can spam until the Nato side runs out of vehicles

btw MI28 can only carry 8 Lumar max if you use all the hard points, I don’t get where u get 10 from lmfao, if you count the Igla sure but Igla is more like a missile you spam on aircraft when they are off guard

I would say Bmpt spam its a problem and its annoying to face, but very easy to kill ngl, its just the spam that is annoying

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Still plenty effective over other premiums. Anyone with half a brain can play a BMPT, T80, or 2S38 and more than a few kills.

8 if you take only LMURs. 10 if you take the combo of LMURs + Iglas. I will admit I misread, though. Iglas for air to air means it can defend itself and you can rearm quickly for more missiles.

It’s a T90 chassis at 11.3 and indestructible if hulldown. You cannot disable it in a single shot if it is hulldown. It is exceptionally well-armored and easy to play. It’s easy to kill if it’s exposed, and most players are very unaware, but an average player is going to have an easy time nuking in it.

It’s also the most effective AGM in the game. What’s your point?
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True, but my point its it is slow, in this current meta if there is a Nato anti air up and knows how to shoot it down, its not hard, also you really have to peek out and tilt you heli up a little to let the lumar fly off unlike agm179 which steers up by itself, and I did say the Chinese munition is way more effective than Lumar as you can spam at least

True, but Russian SPAA is infinitely better at intercepting.

Not an issue in the slightest.

It’s not as effective of a missile + you can still spam LMURs


Not quite.

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Ah okay. I tried to remember off the top of my head. I’ll change that. Still impressive for not playing ground for a while.

Best way to put it is that all LDIRCM helis are equally busted, no matter the nation.

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Changed now. Thanks for letting me know.

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I’ve been watching this thread for a while now and no one’s given me a reliable counter to the new Pantsir other than spawncamping. The best I’ve done was using the Comanche in a ratty spot and shooting at it through a small peek. Any better alternatives?

well T-80 adn 2s38 got moved up to 10.7, and if you paly Russian 10.7 you know you basically don’t get full down tiers at all, so thats not really the problem, and if you talking about full down tier from 11.3 to 10.3, only like 2 to 4 players are really from 11.3 according from my experience, most players that get down teir to 10.3 is Russian 11.0 player with the 90A and B3

Well when it comes to LMURS right, I mean every heli or even vtol jets can spam atgm when you can rearm lol, so its not only MI-28Nm that is broken, in your logic any Heli that carrys more than 8 fire and forget atgm should also considered OP (sidenote delete rearm fixes the problem lmfaooo or can only be rearmed in airfeild)

I would totally agree on hull down BMPT is kinda broke, but this is why you bring frags or vt shells so you can tap its turret and destroy its FCS, gaijin added that VT shells to Nato tanks for a reason. And you did mention most player are unaware, which sounds like skill issue to me, you expect a vehicle to be nerfed just because the average US main player base is buns, and half of them are using wolfpack and expect they can kill bmpt? that’s funny joke to me lmfao, but using that logic I think Gepard is more op lol, also you did say easily killed, thats why you destroy its turret first lol, you sound kinda unskilled lol by no offence

From what you said right, you are a US Light tank main right

fr thats what I mean lol