They are. I get a free stock ADATS in top tier and I regularly take down more than one plane. Again just point and click.
oh i didn’t see the missiles in the back, are they from any existant SPAA in the game or from the Patriots?
Again, no one disagrees with that, its when it comes to a single nation that was already strong in the AA department. One that had the best heli and CAS combo. One that has 2 BMPT’s and one that ruled SPAA for 2 years.
It just creates an imbalance where nations paired with that team have an easier time compared to others
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SPAA should counter CAS, not the other way around
Tanks should be the ones destroying SPAA to let their planes do CAS, CAS shouldn’t just be allowed to spam missiles without any threat whatsoever
yeah but i bet youre not someone who faces actally competent players like I do in squadron battles, youd be suprised how a well coordinated team can play their vehicles, no matter if its an SPAA or jet.
They are Barak-1 missiles, we don’t have them in the game yet and I am not sure how good they are
Their pathetic excuse for MMW is hilarious.
They claimed that MMW can basically ignore the smoke which is pointless because you will not see any incoming ordinance from CAS 95% time.
People also raised their voice and said that Gaijin could add smoke types that can actually counter MMW targeting system but they just straight up refused it.
Meanwhile Russia gets one of the best SPAA that can intercept anything while having completely fictional missile (looking at you MT).
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the only reason its just sad is that now more nations have fire and forget weapons on planes/helis and russia is again the only nation getting a powerfull spaa to counter LDIRCM helis AND fired ammunitions
they could have added more spaa´s like this to multiple nations so everyone has a counter
but this makes it feel like they added it because others have toys that russia had for a long time and couldnt really be countered unless you wasted half or if not all of your missiles on the ammunitions
now that they get it aswell they added the pantsir SM to be countered again
I’m not defending the new Pantsir, but Gaijin sadly isn’t going to nerf it
The best we can hope for is heli nerfs and CIWS vehicles for other nations, but as it stands the CAS players will just continue crying about SAMs being “too powerful” and we’ll just end up with CAS getting ARMs and no new anti air vehicles capable of actually defending against CAS
It uses barak 1 missiles that can be guided SACLOS, and can pull better with 12km range in compare with a stinger.
The cannon its also different, it doesnt uses a 25mm short barrel, it uses a long 20mm roatary with a very good radar, basically what the navy (and ground bases) use to defend their ships against munitions.
Also it can use APDS rounds.
It should be a battle. SPAA should only either be able to do long range or close range attacks and not be overwhelmingly strong at both. If there is no counter other than rushing enemy spawns and leaving cap points to the enemy, it’s not balanced.
The point of any specific kind of vehicle ingame is to succeed at some things and have drawbacks in others. That’s balance. Heavy tanks have good armor but awful mobility. Light tanks can get around easily to flank but have no armor. Medium tanks are okay at both, a success within itself, but aren’t stellar at anything.
Likewise, Multi-vehicle SPAAs are amazing for long range attacks but suffer in short-range and to pop-ups. Gun-based SPAAs (ADATS, S1, CS/SA5) are harder to kill in short range.
The new Pantsir excels in all roles and your only proposed counter is to leave capture points (win conditions) behind. That’s just ignorant.
Oh trust me, Most ARMs will just be slow fat targets and the current AA will be more than enough to intercept them
The thing is, fixed wing CAS atm actually requires a brain with how much capable AA we have and they’re right by saying its powerful, but now its just overkill.
Nato Ground sim will be in shambles, 80% russian winrate incomming
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Thats the problem, nothing exists that even resembles the pantsir. What NATO has left over are more missile systems like the Patriot and similar. There is a clear difference in doctrine between some nations which will cause imbalance in the game of course.
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Regularly facing TT Su-30s, helis, and other planes. Maybe 1 in 5 is a premium.
wdym?
95Ya6, 95Ya6M and TKB-1055 are real.
Guess someone can’t even read….
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they could have added something else then thats able to intercept ammunitions then, i think there do exist some vehicles made for this kind of job
its mostly that one sided new addition for a specific country, i think the BUK already had the fastest missile ingame (for AA systems atleast)
and now it has the fastest missile out of all
well yeah thats the thing, premium or not , the average wt player barely knows how to use their jet properly. Cant really compare randoms to top 20 SQB players.
I think you and I were coming at this from different angles. I’m talking about regular games that matter more to most players. Balance should be based around the majority, not in the hands of a few.
It isn’t a battle though. A good SPAA only works against bad CAS players.
You only need a single tank to get to a place where it can kill SAMs, you don’t need your entire team to do so.
Each SAM is also one less MBT or light tank on the battlefield actually contesting the objective.
If you want to do CAS, you either deal with the SPAA beforehand and coordinate with your team to have them attack SPAA spawned afterwards or you learn how to defend against SPAA and/or abuse the long range weapons that you can just spam without having to get into danger in the first place.
SPAA has only a single purpose, defending against planes. It should excel at defending against planes.
The obvious downside is that it (usually) is bad at dealing with tanks.
Using a tank should be the main counter against SPAA.
Currently all top tier SPAA except for the few SACLOS systems that can actually reach the helipads AND intercept missiles are completely outmatched by the power and amount of weapons that they have to deal with.
Long range SAMs are extremely easy to counter by flying defensively and lobbing long range weapons, short range SAMs usually are so limited in terms of range that they can only be used against heli rushers and overconfident planes.
That’s not ignorant, that’s the reality.