Well then can we have realistic NATO systems, why is the IRIS-T missing?
Why are AMRAAMs hilariously weak.
I am talking about poorly positioned helipads that this Pantsir will have complete power to obliterate, not to mention that trees do not block radars, something that Gaijin should look into.
I do not care what happens at early BR helicopters. The counter to early helicopters will obviously be planes and SPAAGs, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
People didn’t complain about the new top tier SAMs as those SAMs were needed to actually deal with CAS
People are complaining about the new Pantsir because it completely outperforms the existing SAMs
However the main problem is still how powerful CAS is and how weak the current anti air vehicles are in comparison
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Iris-T has done the same exact thing.
It just needs a mili sec of lock time, and you’re dead. Unless you can hide behind a mountain.
Seems like anytime the Iris fires it’s a guaranteed kill.
Additionally, they need to add back helicopter pad spaa.
I am talking about re-positioning helipads for greater defense against hypersonic missiles (and just SAMs in general), the reaction time for most forward helipads against the new Pantsir is something like less than 3 seconds. It’s impossible to dive in time, not to mention that trees do not block radar so it can track through trees.
“Well you know, we are going to add another anti-air to russia, and it’s gonna have ten million missiles in one game! Why? because the BUK is UNDERPERFORMING!”
Yes! the BUK is UNDERPERFORMING!!! YOU HEARD THEM, THE BUK IS UNDERPERFORMING
What do you mean you only have AGM-65 and glided bombs? Because you CAS, and CAS is bad!!!
What did you say? You said Kh-38MT is also broken CAS? That’s the CAS of justice! and your CAS is simply vicious! They are different!
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AGM-88D, it’s Mach 2 capable has a (fairly small) warhead and can be used to target GPS coordinates and can be carried by most relevant airframes, if you need a non-Anti-radiation seeker there is the AGM-88E ARRGM which added IIR, and if you need speed there is the AGM-88J SiAW.
ARMIGER is also a Mach 3 capable ARM/IIR missile with onboard GPS, that could come to Western nations, albeit to a limited set of airframes like Tornado and maybe Eurofighter.
NATO needs it’s EW systems to counter this being able to use a Growler to jam Pantsir/BUK Radars to allow other aircraft to attack would be a good work around. Adding HARMS when a Pantsir SV can just intercept the whole lot is completely pointless.
You would need a Strategic level bombers payload to be able to overwhelm a Pantsir SV
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yeah maybe if youre gonna intercept some bombs, other than that you need to aim it yourself if you want to score kills on aircraft.
As far as I know we dont have a counter to radar guided ATGMs other than shooting it down, so as a tank it would be pretty annoying to deal with those.
Lots of things were added to a single nation in one update before they had a competent counterpart. They just cant stuff everything in one update and people also dont want to wait for new stuff.
The main issue that annoys me is that the devs balance a vehicle mainly throught player stats and not how fair it is to play it.
It was not needed and now it’s breaking the game, happening too frequently with Russia right now.
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They could also start to model the RCS of missiles properly, (e.g. the Harpoon for example should be ~ 0.15m^2) to reduce the range they they are detected. to give Faceted designs a much reduced detection range in order to provide an intermediary step.
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Multi-spectral smoke exists that can block mmW, and Gaijin can always limit how many mmW Brimstones you can take on a plane, it’s not impossible to balance and the new SAMs can make quick work of any Brimstone, they are not that fast.
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They don’t even really do that with aircraft we have jet and bigger jet. The RCS of a Rafale should be much smaller than a Su-30/F-15 yet the Radar always finds them equally (more so in air rb when we are detecting aircraft at 70-80km away.
Game needs a huge amount of changes to the mechanics
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whats the counter to 48 intercptors + 12 hypersonic missiles + guns as a plane and heli?
Ru mains were used to the pantsir being the best at everything and very easy to use, so the second they got a vehicle that requires 2 brain cells to use they couldnt perform good in it.
Yeah the bukk is harder to use than the sky sabre or irist, and its tads radar is ass, but ive barely seen them use the telars radar, even though its one of the best in the game. They can literally substitute the MAIN downside of it and they refuse to do so.
it seems that ussr players constantly need all the haldholding they can get with all the OP stuff gaijin is feeding them
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we dont even need MMW brimstones, simple fire and forget will be enough, since we have 16+ spice capable planes now.
And for balance purposes make them susceptible to smoke, no one will complain
Stats also wont help us, players are using them to kill tanks and dying more than if they just concentrated on aircraft and ordinance.
HVSD ADAMS would also be nice
And Skyrangers…
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I wouldn’t mind it if every other nation got an equivalent and it lost its intercept missiles. As of right now it is virtually impossible to overwhelm, has guns for close range and crazy missiles for long range. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a single vehicle genuinely be a full denial-of-area that couldn’t be countered at close range.
You can’t do standoff against it (long range munitions can be intercepted, even the AGM-84 terrain following is just not effective).
You can’t pop up (guns).
You can’t overwhelm it (48 missiles + ammo box).
How are you supposed to counter this? Even if you do, they can spawn another, can bring BUKs, and get a guaranteed Pantsir for free for a backup.
It either needs to be removed or nerfed horribly. As a matter of fact, remove the regular S1 from the free backup vehicles. No nation has an equivalent for free.
If not that, then CAS needs to have counters. The USA has literally no conventional counter to it as of right now.
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