That’s because it’s attached to the turret…
Hey @Flanker_Thunder and @Metaltank1990, let’s heed @BasherBenDawg8’s advice and stay on topic, yes? This topic is about Pantsir SM after all.
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New Pantsir also has mini-LOSAT performance with the hypersonic missiles when Starstreak (actually proven to have secondary anti-light armor capability and has penetration estimates) is arbitrarily limited to 30mm max.
The missiles are essentially the exact same concept too. Pre-fragmented hollow metal body flying to hit/get near an air target. The only difference is the fuse timing.
It shouldn’t be so absurd to request gaijin be consistent with the performance of comparable warheads. Either STARstreak gets ~90mm penetration (40mm Bofors AP) or this thing gets a hard limit of 100mm penetration max like Starstreak in-game.
that’s a bad way to think about how good or bad something will be, it already happened many times, u can’t have an opinion about something that isn’t released to the public yet will perform in public, it always gets changes even before getting released (which u can’t see since dev server is only open from time to time, and the day it closes isn’t the day the update is released, which means devs could change something without u noticing).
maybe a good way but honestly they’re just chilling.
from what i have seen in videos and gameplays, it doesn’t, but maybe it does and it just works like the Starstreak HVM.
any SPAA with a cannon is good, u aren’t limited to any kind of distance like FlaRakRad and other missile only vehicles.
not gonna deny it, but honestly i don’t think giving NATO it’s respective equals will make it fair for them anyway.
Patriot is far from being as capable as SM-SV.
u mean removing Kh-38 from any plane that isn’t Su-34/25SM3, fixing turret baskets, fixing autoloaders, reworking mechanics, etc?
didn’t u say u were over with me?
I said i considered the argument over. Evidently you didn’t.
what about both shut up about the off-topic discussion we’re having and stick to the SM-SV?
The imbalance I was referring to was in terms of quantity and quality of SPAAs, and how filling gaps in other nations should be prioritized before adding more to USSR who is well served already.
That’s one reason why me and others reacted so negatively to the Pantsir SM, I simply don’t believe it was needed at this moment and the resources should’ve been spent on improving other nation’s SPAA situation first.
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it is not about the seeker but the speed of their flight… please just stop…
2. Yes they have lmur with correct flight path while other similar missiles don’t … btw why do you avoid the obvious and search some BS arguments?
aim-120’s worst fox 3 missile the new one sucks :)
japan is not part of NATO
oh btw mach 2 vs 0.8 … and that 0.8 faces new spaa with 46 missiles (with proxy as well) or the bigger ones with WITH PROXY FUSE
show proof… because what i usualy see is 4 guys leave after 1 death others fight but get steam rolled by russian tanks and even if we dont we get pounded with 2 russian cas players slinging kh-38 mt without any options to defend because there is usualy a mi-28 with lmurs nearby ;)
8 spices traveling slow vs few pancir s-1 (free) or the new ones with 46 missiles capable of shooting 4 at the same time… sure thing keep living with that tought…
SPICE 250s have a 2-3 business day flight time whereas you have like 20 seconds to take down kh38MT before they fold you
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20secs sounds like a fair amount of time for taking it down.
Not for every single NATO SACLOS system that can only engage one at a time… and the multi-vehicle SAMs miss 2/3 of the time.
- Brimstones exist
- old Pantsir was already able of launching 4 at the same time, it’s not anything new.
- the fact u don’t like russian doctrine about how to build a SPAA is not Gaijin’s problem.
Good luck surviving the 60 second flight time at 15km keeping the lase on a pantsir that can kill you 40km out.
If we had MMW brimstones i’d agree with you.
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i have already been talking about Brimstone (IR) and how it should be implemented for all european jets.
if USA can get IR guided AGM-179 and USSR IR guided Kh-38, why couldn’t Germany/Sweden/GB/Italy get IR guided Brimstone.
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brimstones laser guided <----- one at a time at best with LOS vs mach 2 fnf
yes old pancir was and it was fine all alone to intercept 6 mavericks and kill a jet vs other nato (mostly) states with only 1 at a time…
- russian doctrine was verified in a very big conflict where it has shown that their stuff aint that good as they say while other big recent conflict has shown a lot of us stuff works since they fly massive b-52’s all over without threats lol so yea i beg to differ dude
There are no IR brimstones.
and is there IR Kh-38 or AGM-179?
…Yes?