It also has enough trash components in the way that block 50 cal shots head on.
Yes the dashboard will block 50 cal shots. 50cal AP rarely if ever passes through the main cabin if shooting head on.
You can’t kill the gunners with 50 cal lol.
no i wasnt comparing to starstreak, i was telling you why starstreak was made the way it was, which is pretty unconventional insofar as nato shorad, the only other western country with a similar weapon system is sweden
my brother in christ its not the first time you made that absolutely dumb statement, i already told you why its dumb, im not engaging further with that nonsense
aster 30 is pretty much wrong in every way
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Okay dude if you say so. But go throw a fit somewhere else.
Youve quite literally said Russian Saclos missles are supposed to be bad to some degree, or have “no advantage being SACLOS”.
“Only the missle count should be the advantage”
I dont even know what you’ve been on about.
But that doesnt even matter at this point, lets just move on from the back and forth yeah?
Everyones open to criticism here, but you dont gotta be so rude about it if you are going too.
ironic considering you’ve been stalwartly defending this vehicle in hundreds of replies over 2.5k posts.
how hard is it to understand? the only advantage the smv should have over Sams should be Missile count, saclos is WORSE than ARH much like it is WORSE than IIR with Datalink.
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More so giving an overview of what led up to now, rather than just complaining about something just because.
You keep saying its “worse” yet youre not giving me much of a reason as to why it should be worse.
Most aircraft engagements happen at close range and rarely happen at long range. This benifits SACLOS missles more than anything.
bruv, why would autonomous guidance be worse at close ranges, the reason saclos is chosen is because its cheaper and it allows you to keep the guidance smaller in the missile, indipendent guidance is better in 90% of cases.
i wonder why?!?! could it be that the longer range anti air systems are artificially gimped to force a specific meta? nooooo it couldnt be it must be that countries simply didnt make any good anti air systems as you intelligently pointed out!
Im not saying ARH guidance would be worse, but in most instances it is because of multipathing. Yes SACLOS is cheaper but its also not as susceptible to jamming, multipathing, or countermeasures and theyre mainly used on close range systems like the Tor and Pantsirs.
Artifical gimping isnt fully to blame for longer range sam systems not being able to utilize their advantage of longer range if most maps dont allow them to use that advantage.
I was specifically saying no countries have a “Pantsir equivalent” and that the Pantsir is unique. Compared to every country having some form of SAM system that operates basically the same in terms of use.
Imagine if all NATO LINK16 capable systems could communicate and share targeting data for datalinks.
Helis + Jets + AA all sharing radar contacts like they should be able to.
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the effect of jamming is not something we can judge, if the missile is fired guided by the irst that is relevant insofar as we can make good guesses but when guided by the radar its not something we know(Electronic warfare is just about the most classified part of modern warfare), multipath is not a concern for modern missiles, nor are countermeasures at large, chaff, flares and bol have shown to not be of much effect against modern missiles in pretty much ever modern conflict.
it absolutely is, ARH guidance in general is butchered, and in alot of cases its also kinematics that are butchered, the buk has incredibly kinematics but it still sucks cause ARH is just THAT terrible ingame. and for other systems that have awful kinematics its even worse. not even mentioning how terrible radars are at top tier, anyone who used a buk or a claws/nasams will tell you that theyre essentially non functional insofar as providing datalink
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I swear turning off the radar improves my kill chance because it’s not sending trash latent datalink locations.
how does that work?
Wouldnt change anything. In grb ofc. Because there is almost no planes on top tier.
But its a known fact SACLOS missles have the advantage of being much more resistant to jamming sonce there relying on LOS. Also nothing you said implies that SACLOS missles should be preforming worse then they are in game, this only implies ARH missles should be on par with these systems. And ARH are susceptible to electronic warfare, dont need to declassify anything to deduce that.
Might I also add that if this was the reality for all SAMS currently to be that strong, electronic warfare and other defences for aircraft would have to be introduced. I get what you’re saying, but thats venturing into a whole different realm of where CAS would need to be put on par and the maps are too small to allow for such advancments.
This still does not mean SACLOS missles dont hace their advantages over ARH missles.
I see plenty of jets in the air still for certain nations that don’t face Pantsirs.
Shoot aim9x, your radar is off and they have no rwr
shoot aim120 let it’s guidance do the job not your radar. especially if you are moving. Placebo? Probably.
By the time a BUK has spotted anything its already dead or wasting missles because the aircraft saw it first at a range of ~20kms. This still doesnt mean that SAMS arent already at a disadvantage because of the gap aircraft can close on them.
And rest decides to just not waste sp
wouldnt par if it was modelled accurately mate.
electronic warfare is not just something you turn on and suddently are immune to missiles. if you want to speculate advantages that have not really showed up in reality you can do so but the supposed “vulnerability to ecw” hasnt stopped ARH missiles to be the most dominant missile kind since its proliferation.
they are cheaper and allow to make guidane smaller, You still need to find the aircraft if the radar is being suppressed by ecw, youre left to IRST, and irst reduces range quite a bit in 99% of situations. its price and form factor.
Which leaves room for seasoned pilots that are actually challenging to fight against.
Amazing when a pilot actually knows what theyre doing