A quick google search says that the explosive filler weighs 13 kg
It seems to have been almost fully developed, but nobody seems to have bought it
The only other thing that comes close to the Pantsir SM-SV for NATO is the Swedish RBS 23 BAMSE. It’s telars have 6 missiles each, have a range of 20Km and a speed of Mach 3-3.5 but still doesn’t come close to the Pantsir.
Yeah i meant 15 kilograms, so itwould probably have more pen than cmo502 becauseof its faster speed probably wouldnt be very good though. Shouldn’t be added either way.
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There are a couple of systems that would do similar jobs as the Pantsir SM-SV, but they all are SHORAD
I would say that the Skyrangers and the HVSD/ADAMS would be the closest equivalents to the SM-SV, as they all are meant to serve as CIWS/C-RAMs, while also having access to regular SAMs
The BAMSE lacks a gun, so it wouldn’t be very useful at all in an environment where planes can deliver a boatload of guided bombs or 6 Kh-38s and helis can just spam between 8 and 16 FnF ATGMs
I legitimately think that the DRACO (the upgraded Otomatic) would be more useful than the BAMSE, even though it doesn’t come with any missiles
There also are the MLBPWS, but that’s just a mobile Phalanx without missiles and the LD-2000, but that one is Chinese and also lacks missiles
I’m not sure about the M-SHORADs interceptor capabilities, so I don’t know if that would be useful (it does have Hellfires though, which is pretty cool)
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They’ve moved onto laser SHORAD aka DE M-SHORAD to augment the kinetic interception M-SHORAD vehicles.
But yeah you’re right it has the same interception capabilities as the 2S38 aka nobody knows lol
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2024/army/2024de_m-shorad.pdf
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I cannot stress how badly most of the SPAA suffer from not having a gun
Again like on the clusterf*ck map Afghanistan is, where people literally can pop up and carpet bomb you because you cant go anywhere else. The gun on the Pantsirs is a godsend, because at least when you hear them coming, you can shred them for it.
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I have to stop you here. Have you used sky sabre?
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Frontally Tow2a may not have enough pen against most top tier tanks? It is the one that
I think the thing here is that at with the barrel fired russian atgms, the pen is low enough where it can’t reliably pen most tanks frontally, and you have to maintain LOS with the target regardless
Compared to fnf missles that will always come down at an angle that will penetrate 90% of the time? I’m just trying to gauge why they wouldn’t model these correctly.
Yeah, dunno if I’d agree either, but I have no experience with any of the other top tier SAMs
The Sky Sabre isn’t doing too hot tho lol
Every so often I hear someone all-so-confidently say the sky sabre is good somehow and I seriously do wonder if we’re using the same system sometimes.
This damn thing just voluntarily misses the easiest targets known to man because… why not?? Easily worst SAM I’ve ever used. Better performance with starstreak. At toptier.
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So called thrust vectoring missile when asked to hit a maneuvering target
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The TOW-2A has enough pen to pen most top tier tanks, you just can’t lolpen enemies, but even the 1000mm+ ATGMs need to be aimed
Obviously the same spots that a dart would penetrate work for the TOW-2A (and other ATGMs as well), but depending on the enemy tank hitting the cheeks can also work.
There definitely is a difference between 800mm pen and 1200mm pen, but 800mm generally is enough and you should always aim for weakspots, no matter what weapon you are using.
The Kornet does have the advantage that is is abale to pen the cheeks of some NATO MBTs, but it’s not that hard to aim for the other weakspots on those lol
Some comparisons:
(didn’t include the ZT3A2 and HOT-2 in the T-90M and T-80BVM ones because there was no meaningful difference between the TOW-2A and the Kornet)
The part of me that believes that Gaijin has some sense of balance would like to believe that Gaijin didn’t model the top attack mechanic for other FnF ATGMs because they thought that it would make them too OP
The more realistic reason is that they wanted to make the Mi-28NM as powerful as possible to make people buy the Ka-50 (and Mi-35P) and to boost top tier USSR winrates to, again, sell more USSR premiums
Gotta keep that high they got through the BMPT up, you know?
Now that the Pantsir SM-SV is in the game they potentially might go back and give the JAGMs and China’s equivalent top attack behaviour as well to throw non-USSR players a bone
I’m sure they will add an unbalanced vehicle to another nation soon and milk that. Just like old times lol
The usual “They dominated for X amount of time, now we should get to dominate for Y amount of time”
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Well the BA-11s have the shortest spool-up time out of all the F&Fs so I don’t think they’ll see any changes😅
I know absolutely nothing about China’s ATGMs, so I can’t tell if they are good without being top attack like the LMUR
Let’s just say they’re JAGMs with higher penetration and damage, with quicker spool-up time… at the cost of only being able to take 8 of them instead of 16 (somewhat like the Mi-28NM, except you can also carry 4x TY-90s and 4x CM-502KGs or 8x CM-502KGs too).
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It would be considerably better for helis, if you know what you’re doing atleast, way faster than anything else, and if you know what you’re doing with vikhrs, you already overpressure 90% of the time anyway, basically all around upgrade compared to vikhrs except for guidance and proxy fuse
Going by statshark KDR for February, it was the best performing top tier SAM.
Push the stats to all-time and its the second best performing, not too far behind the SLM.
It EASILY has the best radar of all the TADS as well, between the mast mounting giving it way more operational flexibility and situational awareness, the best in class refresh rate (1s), and even the fact it didn’t get screwed by gaijin on the datalink front (24 datalink channels vs 4 on the SLM and NASAMS for example).
Y’all may not realize it since you only play the SkySabre, but it likely IS the best non-russian top tier SAM in-game. Aster-30 might compete, but it doesn’t according to the numbers atleast. All the SAM’s struggle with jank missiles and bad radars atm because that’s how gaijins modelled all the western ones. SLM has fallen hard with how common LDIRCM now is and it being quite literally incapable of even threatening those helis. It also can’t deal with saturation attacks well due to the 4 datalink channels and its seekers habit of not wanting to lock munitions whatsoever.
Quick disclaimer though, I havent played the SkySabre myself, I’m just speaking on the numbers along with my experience with SLM and NASAMS and their issues.
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I’ve said this before but stats alone don’t say much. Certain countries are more likely to be matched against certain other countries: for example, Britain is almost always against Russia. It is no coincidence that this makes getting air kills easier be it on account of unskilled su30 premiums or simply the fact that they spawn more aircraft before you inevitably get spawncamped. It’s important to work on the objective performance of the vehicle.
True. You also lose that mast mounted radar every 60 seconds of the match.
Not true. The datalink didn’t even work for 3 months and the missiles are nowhere near good enough to be using more than 3 or 4 at once anyways.
Pantsir S1 alone beats it by far. I can’t speak on the buk but numbers-wise it’s superior in every way.
The SAMs with thrust vectoring at least pull at close range and don’t voluntarily miss easy targets, which sky sabre does almost every time.
Sure but sky sabre can’t hit helis either so that’s a moot point.
Sky sabre also can’t do this on account of the seekers being mediocre at best and usually all tracking one missile, or many failing to track entirely, or just missing the incoming missile god forbid you launch under 5km range. If i didn’t delete my thousand or so clips a month ago i’d have so many to show of the damn thing just not working whatsoever while i was trying to spade it.
Oh, I don’t doubt that it’s the best radar one, but even while being the best, it’s doing a terribly inconsistent job
So has anyone found an effective counter to the new pantsir?