honestly it is just ridiculous at this point
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- cope harder
- it has no proxy fuze
- Fox-3s aren’t necessary when u have DL, which works very well just like in any SPAA
- still one tap’able cuz no armor
- it’s russian doctrine, what’s the problem?
now people cope about the new russian SPAA being too good, before people coped about CAS being too good, is this some kind of cycle or wtf?
i think now i can add another complainment for my book!
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like fr, the update just released yesterday and in 18hs there’s already somebody complaining about the new SM-SV?
Yes because it has a hypersonic missile and enough interception missiles to solo multiple f-15e full gbu39 payloads
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XDDDDDD bro, do you realize you are coping cuz the cope?
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It has with radar lock, which already all saclos spaa use and the pantsir series can lock multiple targets.
The problem its when the best SPAA and the best CAS its in the same side, KH38 slingers against ADATS and flarakrads, while pantsir were the best saclos spaa which can guide multiple missiles against AGM-65 slingers.
Also this new pantsir can effectively engage helicopters with FnF even at long distances thanks to its range and absurd speed, which a flarakrad, for example, cant do.
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20km/h more than the normal hypersonic min speed, and no proxy fuze makes it hard to hit anyway.
i will ignore this cuz all SPAAs intercept missiles atp, even multi-vehicle ones still have a chance of surviving against multiple CAS weaponry
do u realize u’re a crybaby if the only thing u cope is a russian SPAA which can only destroy air targets? and it’s not as ez as like any other missile due to it’s strict (and historically accurate) no proxy fuze characteristic.
i always hear people complaining about Russia (which are always the people who have never touched a T-34 in their lives AT LEAST) and “showing proofs about their vehicles being too good” but tbh that’s just ragebait.
the only thing that makes the SM-SV good is the exageratly high amount of anti-drone missiles it carries, it can become the Iron Dome of WT without much issues, but hitting an aircraft? just multipath and problem solved. plus, the BUK-M3 is not good, just multipath bro, u think it’s good cuz it has a 630mm metal crap? being ARH and not being erectal-launcher makes it bad.
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Multipath for what, to try doing a surprise attack at close and low altitude to get shredded by the 30mm cannons?
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Japan got Su-30 too, bro, u have Kh-38 in ur side most of the time.
that’s just doctrines being executed in WT.
NATO actually doesn’t good SPAAs irl, they rely in radar vehicles giving the position of an enemy target to TEL vehicles, while Russia relies in single vehicle SPAAs with enough armament to counter anything they see (not a surprise, people love to invade Russia by some reason).
u can’t force Gaijin to add something that doesn’t exist just to “balance” the nation u like to play.
FlaRakRad should get a buff, or down in BR, one of those 2 options.
u can’t deny it’s always the same problem: good CAS = buff SPAA / good SPAA = buff CAS
and it never ends…
which means if u lose the lock cuz the enemy plane is multipathing or actually fooled ur radar it’s pretty much just a flying stick in the air.
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just like an ADATS and it’s 25mm cannon if u get too close to it? just like a LAV-AD if u get too close to it? just like a Gepard if u get too close to it?
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The Kh-38MTs to this day still use copy-pasted AGM-65 code for the seeker.
Russia doesn’t have a direct AGM-114 equal IRL, and Soviets don’t in-game.
Trunnions and SPAA are in all tech trees.
AIM-120s were buffed this update, not nerfed.
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None of these are my takes, literally none of them:
Soviets haven’t gotten tanks first since I started maining War Thunder in 2018.
USA got T-90M and T-80BVM equivalent tanks years in advance.
If it wasn’t for Leopard 2s not getting reload buffs, Soviets would be the last to get reload buffs in the game and they weren’t as drastic as the reload buff Oplot got.
Soviet tanks are minimum at BR to equivalents in other tech trees.
54mm of ERA protection is not over-performing.
Challenger and T-series not having turret baskets were design decisions IRL that can’t be changed by a game that prioritizes using real-life information.
Best helicopters are tied between 6 or more tech trees.
Best FCAS is tied between 4 or 5 tech trees, with Japan having identical FCAS.
Best SPAA is primarily subjective, because everyone has different requirements for wanting to deal with CAS.
Now for my take:
Ignoring these facts are how we get American bias, Russian bias, etc false claims when the reality is there’s nuance.
USA has the most amount of under-BR’d vehicles in the game, but that’s a symptom of a larger problem.
USSR has the best anti-munition SPAA in the game.
The best anti-FCAS SPAA is going to be one of the F&F systems.
The best anti-helicopter SPAA overall is Pantsir and ITO-90M, however if helicopters get closer then the already existing systems are good as well.
This is not bias, because just like with many mistakes in the past, Gaijin can’t know with certainty what additions will do, they can only guestimate.
For something to be bias it has to be:
1- Intentional.
2- With previous existing knowledge, knowing it will cause x situation.
3- Not even 1 other tech tree has vehicles/weapons at-BR to face relevant opponents.
F-15A being 12.7 isn’t American bias because Jagdpanzer IV is 4.3 instead of 4.7 [and other examples].
Pantsir SMSV isn’t Soviet bias because:
1- It’s coming to the game without previously existing knowledge of what it will do.
2- SPAA in general is only useful if an enemy team intentionally spawns entirely optional aircraft, but if we don’t spawn aircraft, then the SPAA is only a tool to capture points.
3- It’s the highest possible BR for ground vehicles at the time of this post.
Out of all Soviet vehicles… Su-30MK2, Su-27SM, Su-30SM, and Su-30SM2 are infinitely more oppressive than Pantsir SMSV as examples; because Pantsir SMSV is only oppressive if I spawn a helicopter in a game mode that prioritizes I be in a tank, while those aircraft are oppressive against every inferior jet incorrectly paired with their BRs.
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Su-30SM/2 should lose Kh-38ML/MT and should only be available in the Su-25SM3 and Su-34, since those 2 aircrafts are actually made to destroy ground targets, not the goddamn air superiority fighter with Su-57 engines that casually has one of the best CAS weapons ingame.
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Kh38 LOL
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I wish for all nations vehicles and weaponry to be on par with one another, my issue is with the USSR tree having better vehicles in a lot of areas than what other nations have. I simply wish for the disparity to be solved by any means necessary, whether that be adding comparable vehicles to the other nations, or reducing the effectiveness of this new SAM so it’s brought on par with existing SAMs in other nations.
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1- Russia didn’t have such a competent weapon before Kh-38, just Kh-29 and it’s limited Mach 1.8.
2- Gaijin didn’t know the Kh-38 was going to be so good, fr it’s just a faster AGM-65B but with IR guidance.
3-
japanese Su-30 with Kh-38, NATO plane with Kh-38MT
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Kh-38MT was introduced into the game without previous knowledge of its threat; Hanlon’s Razor.
It was an unintended OP addition that only I and others knew was going to be OP because we were already using AGM-65Ds with success at the time.
4 - 6 frag sorties with AGM-65Ds, and we knew what Gaijin didn’t: Kh-38MT was that seeker in-game with a better motor and HE warhead, but Gaijin thought AGM-65Ds were useless, so because of that they thought Kh-38MT was going to be fine without the knowledge that good CAS players had.
A mistake Gaijin made that we called them out on.
However, thanks to that mistake we got SPAA that can finally counter top CAS in War Thunder, cause Gaijin has been entirely ignoring our demands for better SPAA until Kh-38MT was added.
Calling mach 1.8 “limited” when Maverick only is mach 0.9 is rich
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Which i’m sure NATO has so many equivalents to…?
The plane that made russia mains crash out so hard gaijin had to give them a mini-su35.
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Difference is tho none of them have this level of endurance
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the only good vehicles the USSR tech tree has are SPAA and heavy tanks, anything else is just crap:
T-34-57 1.0 BR higher than Pz.IV H and with basically the same cannon
most TD (obviously excluding BMPT/72) having weak armor
most soviet/russian tanks having ugly mobility (T-90M and it’s -5km/h reverse at TOPTIER).
the only thing possible is adding more SAMs to other nations, but trust me, none of them will be as good as the russian SPAAs, they’re just hand-crafted different (i mean irl).
even if Gaijin added Patriot right now in this exact moment, it wouldn’t be as good as the Pantsir SM-SV no matter how many missiles it has or how deadly they’re.
plus, u can’t give other nations fake things, u can’t give USA a Kh-38 just cuz 1 of their exported BS planes was modified by the nation who bought ur plane to carry russian missiles (like F-14A IRIAF getting R-27, a russian missile, while being in the american TT).