The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

[gfdsa_killer]

@Flanker_Thunder

Japan got Su-30 too, bro, u have Kh-38 in ur side most of the time.

Recently added, but USSR had KH-38 slingers first for a long time with the Su-25, Su-34 and then Su-30. Against Flarakrad, ADATS, Otomatics, etc.

Anyway, still the kh38 stays at the best plane armament for CAS, slow AGM-184, AGM-65 or glide bombs are not in the same level.

@Flanker_Thunder

u can’t force Gaijin to add something that doesn’t exist just to “balance” the nation u like to play.

Things its Gaijin should add things similar to counterparts from the other nation. Reminder to you that Italy, Japan and Israel still doesnt have any SACLOS spaa to counter LDIRCM helis at least, Russia first pantsir was good enough, no reason to add another one stronger than the other.

@Flanker_Thunder

u can’t deny it’s always the same problem: good CAS = buff SPAA / good SPAA = buff CAS
and it never ends…

Because Gaijin keep adding new things instead of filling gaps nations still need at lower BRs.

@Flanker_Thunder

not a surprise, people love to invade Russia by some reason

Weird, I dont remember ukraine, afghan or chechen soldiers invading Russia before the war even started.

@Flanker_Thunder

which means if u lose the lock cuz the enemy plane is multipathing or actually fooled ur radar it’s pretty much just a flying stick in the air.

Just as every multi vehicle spaa with ARH missiles.
Difference its that you can multipath a, for example, SAMP/T and then drop munitions very close to him so the vertical launched missiles will not be able to intercept it, but pantsir sm-sv will be able to, and kill you with cannons.

@Flanker_Thunder

just like an ADATS and it’s 25mm cannon if u get too close to it? just like a LAV-AD if u get too close to it? just like a Gepard if u get too close to it?

You can launch 3 missiles to the ADATS, it manages to destroy 1, lucky if 2, but the third one will always hit the target, just not enough time to shoot and guide with 1 missile at a time.
No need to multipath an ADATS.

@Flanker_Thunder

Gepard if u get too close to it?

With the gepard still same escenario, maybe just 1 ordinance its enough

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Metaltank1990

Which i’m sure NATO has so many equivalents to…?

no? cuz they don’t even have irl.
tell me a single NATO AGM that isn’t hipersonic or transonic.

ofc, there isn’t, NATO only has transonic ordnance or hipersonic spiky missiles launched from F-18s.

@Metaltank1990

The plane that made russia mains crash out so hard gaijin had to give them a mini-su35.

i’m a russian main and i’m not crashing out cuz a nation as invisible as Japan got a russian plane with Kh-38MTs.

i have been grinding the german TT with the Leopard 2A4M, and IN MY LIFE i have gotten killed by a Kh-38MT, nor a LMUR, so i don’t understand why so much hate to something as rare to see nowdays.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Apollo_1641

Also I’m pretty sure neither Japan or Malaysia is in Nato

they aren’t on Russia’s side either.

[Metaltank1990]

@Flanker_Thunder

tell me a single NATO AGM that isn’t hipersonic or transonic.

Brimstone.

[ItsOnyy]

This new SPAA is easily the first 13.0 SPAA in the game, heck, I’d take a 13.0 IRIS-T if they reworked DLRICM.

[AlvisWisla]

That is a tad funny.

@TheDudesRug

Watching people lose their minds over some new addition, which then takes attention away from the actual OP vehicles I enjoy using.

;)

I thought about this as well.
This took way too much attention away from actually OP vehicles.

My entire sentiment: “Oh no! SAMP/Pantsir SMSV/etc! Anyway…” Just doesn’t spawn CAS and enjoys spawning 3 - 4 more tanks instead.

[gfdsa_killer]

No one will forget about the epstein files, i mean, the BMPT my friend

[_Pool]

@AlvisWisla

Kh-38MT was introduced into the game without previous knowledge of its threat

Wrong, they knew, they had the problem with AGM65 first intro so that check your 3 points.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Metaltank1990

Brimstone.

Brimstone is supersonic, 1620km/h.

[PyroAddict]

@Flanker_Thunder

i’m a russian main and i’m not crashing out cuz a nation as invisible as Japan got a russian plane with Kh-38MTs.

Should we give you mains a medal for that? blufor as a whole has been getting better variants of US vehicles ever since the 2nd half of the cold war (F-15J, F-16J, F-15J(M), F-16 OCU (France), etc.) And even when Japan got its Su-30MKM, Russia got the SM2 which is technologically and objectively better than the original SM.

You people are acting like you’re getting mistreated or neglected by Gaijin, when it’s clearly not the case.

[Metaltank1990]

and then the enemy spawns CAS because they’re unimpeded by the useless SPAA they have to fight, and your team gets obliterated in a matter of minutes by several helis or jets firing f&f vollies and auto-lose

[Metaltank1990]

which fits your criteria nicely…?

[AlvisWisla]

No, WE knew the threat of AGM-65D, Gaijin didn’t; Gaijin isn’t us.
If Gaijin did they would’ve listened to our demands for better SPAA, but they dismissed our demands vocally.

@Metaltank1990
The enemy team loses because they bring too much CAS and get overwhelmed by tanks on the ground while friendly SPAA deters and defeats enemy CAS. Literally happens all the time from 2019 to today.
Cause while most maps are large, most played maps at the top end have features that make getting targeted by CAS difficult.

[Metaltank1990]

@AlvisWisla

The enemy team loses because they bring too much CAS and get overwhelmed by tanks on the ground

Have you ever played ground in the last year?

[AlvisWisla]

@Metaltank1990
Yes, and most of my losses are due to my team bringing more CAS than the enemy.
Which is partially why all my lineups don’t have CAS in them.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@PyroAddict

Should we give you mains a medal for that?

did i ask for a medal just for being different?

@PyroAddict

And even when Japan got its Su-30MKM, Russia got the SM2 which is technologically and objectively better than the original SM.

so u basically want the nation that hand-crafted the goddamn plane u bought from them to have worse planes that the nation that got the main idea of developing that plane?
there’s a reason of why the SR-71 Blackbird was never sold to any nation.

@PyroAddict

You people are acting like you’re getting mistreated or neglected by Gaijin, when it’s clearly not the case.

same for u and all the NATO mains.
NATO has very competent and even good vehicles/weaponry, there’s no reason for crying and claiming about a single nation having something ur nation doesn’t.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Metaltank1990

which fits your criteria nicely…?

forgot to mention “that isn’t in the game”.

[Metaltank1990]

Brimstone is not in game. The gimped pseudo-hellfire we have does not count.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Metaltank1990

Brimstone is not in game

@Metaltank1990

he gimped pseudo-hellfire we have does not count.

it’s name is “Brimstone”, it’s supersonic, it’s a Brimstone.

[gfdsa_killer]

@AlvisWisla

USA has the most amount of under-BR’d vehicles in the game, but that’s a symptom of a larger problem.

The only US under-BR vehicle that comes to my mind its the T-58, aside from that I do not have any problem facing US in different BRs.

@AlvisWisla

This is not bias, because just like with many mistakes in the past, Gaijin can’t know with certainty what additions will do, they can only guestimate.

For something to be bias it has to be:
1- Intentional.
2- With previous existing knowledge, knowing it will cause x situation.
3- Not even 1 other tech tree has vehicles/weapons at-BR to face relevant opponents.

Gaijin leaving op vehicles in their same state over months or years, just to finally get a BR nerf or smth…
BMPT at launch was fair, deadly 30mm ammo-rack just like IRL but then they added buffs just a couple of days later, and finally a BR increase after weeks from 10.3 to 10.7…

Remember when it was impossible to kill or disable a 2s38 at hull down, and even at a lower br for a long time?