The Pantsir-S1 BR is too low and should be set at 12.7

No they don’t.

Pantsir is just strictly better by wide margins than other 12.0 SPAA

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Yes they do

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Haha, no, they don’t. Feel free to send another post saying they do so you can get the last word in.

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For a long time, the combat efficiency of the Pantsir s1 has been significantly higher than any NATO SPAA, such as the ITO90m or RLD. Only when Gaijin realized that NATO was getting stunned by Russia’s KH38 did Gaijin slowly release modular SPAA, which led to a new round of air-to-ground strength upgrades. The reason they only gave the Tor M1 to the Chinese back then was because Gaijin knew that this thing would not be very effective in combat. So in the subsequent version updates, Gaijin introduced the Pantsir s1 for Russia. Gaijin has always considered this to be on par with SPAA like the ITO90m, which is clearly wrong. The interception efficiency of the Pantsirs s1 is only second to some modular SPAAs. Now, the introduction of random vehicles has led to the proliferation of the Pantsirs s1, which further lowers its combat efficiency, giving Gaijin reason to keep it at 12.0.

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They knew it from the very beginning.

russia didnt even needed any anti air thing after the pantsir, but they kept adding more and more stuff.

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To be fair, it is purely just from the bmpt.

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That’s why people keep spawning them, which creates a rp pinata situation to drain team’s tickets and donate sp to enemy mbts for them to get nuke lol

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Pantsir S1 could honestly be a 12.3 SPAA.

However, what do you put in place for a 12.0 SPAA that would be competitive with the ITO90M and “FlaRakRad”

In my opinion, if htey slighty buff the flight model of the 9Ything-letters-numbers
, it is clearly a 12.7 material or me. With IRIS-T, S1 and SM-SV are the only dangerous SPA for heli’s.
Guess who don’t need to worry about thoses.

What does this have to do with tanks

You should follow the choice of the majority of players: either play as Russian, or do not play BR above 11.0. Here is the April ranking of vehicle battle counts.

Nothing. Not like they need an SPAA for every single BR step. If we take the example of OP playing 11.3 France the only option for that lineup is the 9.7 roland 1. There is then a gap until 12.0 with the ITO90.

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The BMPT, CAS, SMSV, and the free S1 are so overpowered that even with average MBTs, they’re the only nation that can pull off a win rate like that.

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Pretty sure Germany had higher WR with just the 2a7 before and they suffered from CAS the most. The only way I see russia winning in top tier is that they keep respawning. I don’t see cas that much with the new spaas around

I’d say compression is also a bit responsible, even if there’s absolutely no debate on the fact that this thing shouldn’t be sitting at the same BR as ITO or .3 BR over a TOR or a FlaRakRad

yes, pretty much unkillable if it is hulldown, you cant disable that many weapons and survives most shots due to many moduels and crew… the biggest mistake gaijin did was adding fnf cas. good luck fighting against a heli sitting at his heliport spamming lmur´s and rearm…

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Russia Thunder, green everywhere at top tier.

And imo, their winrates are way more than the “57-58%” indicated. See that “U.S. : 40.7% / USSR : 56.9%” at 10.7 ? More like U.S. : 30% / USSR : 67% if the americans and russians were never teamed up together lol.

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yes, move the type 90 to 12.0…

changing br doesnt even matter when its model is the actual problem, if it worked properly its original br wouldnt have been that much of an issue considering theres already other vehicles with the same apds and powerful atgm at that br

while other vehicles get their ammo depleted when the turret gets hit this thing is impervious to chain damage from turret as if ammo was stored in a different dimension

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