Only if you look at pure stats of missiles, but planes are faster and more agile at 12.0-13.0 than at 10.7-11.7 so in game 2s6 is better than Ito.
Does 2s6 have to counter FnF missiles launched at 15km by Mi28 ans Apaches ? Nope, only slow mavericks that even Ito has some difficulties to see and track.
Ok, so there’s a difference between saying “2S6 is better than ITO” and “2S6 is better than ITO BR-FOR-BR”.
ITO is better in most cases (other than at close range or against ground targets, where guns and the much better mobility are more important)
2S6 may be better BR-for-BR, which I could agree with.
Notice: That Israel for example, gets the Imperial Chaparel as free SPAA in Toptier, while Russia gets the Pantsir ^^. Very BALANCED
And yes, the ADATS (specially the UK one) should be lower then the Tungi
I don’t know about that one.
The Tungy gets better mobility, access to guns, and access to a stabilizer but the ADATS gets much better AAMs (that can also kill tanks) and smoke grenades (which is very useful against IR / TV guided AGMs / bombs).
Maybe the British ADATS should be 11.3 but I don’t think it’s doing too badly at 11.7, especially now that 12.0 / 12.3 is no longer the highest BR.
I would say the Tunguska is fine at 10.7, though it could as well as be 11.0.
They need to lower the Tor and HQ17 back down to 11.0 and 11.3 respectively again since they struggle to kill close-range targets, but they are definitely more effective at long-range than the 2S6.
What statistics do not show is the defensive capability of the 2S6. At its BR it is the only SPAAs able to reliably intercept incoming threats such as AGMs, guided bombs, and helicopter ATGMs. In practice its defensive performance is already close to the Pantsir S1, just at shorter engagement ranges. No other SPAA at 10.7 offers the same combination of fast reaction time, high missile velocity, tracking ability, and gun backup.
The statistics of the 2S6 are also distorted because many players use it as a tank destroyer. Its strong cannons, good mobility, and high penetration belts encourage aggressive ground play, which naturally lowers its SPAA performance data.
TOR and HQ11 may have advantages at long range, but they lack the multi layer defensive capability that makes the 2S6 so effective in real matches, especially in the close to medium range engagements where most CAS attacks happen.
Well, I haven’t pulled any statistics to backup my argument anyways.
This was just from experience and its qualities.
I agree with what you’re saying here, though.
While that is true, it is the only 10.7 SPAA in-game… and there aren’t any 11.0 SPAAs either.
Of course it should perform better than 10.3 SPAAs (like the OSA / Strela / Stormer).
We can talk about their relative effectiveness compared to 10.3 SPAAs as being much greater than just a 0.3 BR difference, but then that would go to my point that it can be argued that it should be 11.0.
While the mobility, guns, and 8x ready-to-fire SACLOS AAMs is great for 10.7, it is by no means close to the Pantsir’s performance.
12x incredibly good SACLOS AAMs that can be shot on the move, all while tracking 3 of them with TWS that acts as F&F is much much much better than what the 2S6 has to offer.
You can shoot down three potential mavericks with the Pantsir, all while moving away (in case they drop GNSS), and guiding a 4th AAM towards the plane.
With the Tunguska, you need to set up and fire at each maverick one-by-one… and don’t get me started about dealing with LASER + IOG helis (unless you’re lucky with the timing, you need to hide to stay alive).
Again, I never stated that it should be where it’s at just by looking at its statistics – of course there’s nuance… especially for these types of vehicles.
I’m not saying the TOR is superior to the Tunguska in every aspect.
They could be the same BR in all honesty.
The TOR can actually kill aware opponents from long range whereas the Tunguska can reliably intercept their munitions at most ranges, so it really depends on frame of reference you really care about.
If you only care about making sure all munitions are intercepted, and being able to kill within a close-medium range (where most CAS attacks happen) then the M247 would technically be the best option, as it doesn’t require each missile to interecept with each AAM missile (of which most of the time the 2S6 only has 8x2), and has smoke grenades if any fails to be intercepted.
But of course, that would be silly since planes / helis at these BRs can just stay outside of its effective range and keep firing F&Fs / laser+IOG against other targets until one manages to goes through.
I’d say the most effective SPAA is one with all aspects (defense and offense), so if I had to choose between only having a TOR on my team or a Tugunska, the Tunguska would almost always be chosen because the enemies can exploit the fact that the TOR can’t kill within a certain range, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a great SPAA when it has something else to cover it (like a Tunguska / Strela / M247).
Then you could argue about the effectiveness of an SPAA depending on how independent they can be, in which case the 2S6 may win in that regard, but wouldn’t it also win against top tier radar-only SPAAs?
The radar-only SPAAs (like the HQ11, BUK, Sky Sabre, and Mambas) all struggle defending against helicopters and close-range targets (especially gun / rocket strafes), unlike with the 2S6.
I wouldn’t be against the Tunguska going to 11.0, and the Tor and HQ17 moving down to 11.0 and 11.3 respectively.
The 2S6 is (without a doubt) the best all-rounder (hence most versatile SPAA) at ~10.3 - 11.3, but even then there’s only so much it can do as it starts to become overwhelmed against missile spam / underequipped to take out aircraft outside of ~6km past 11.0.