I would be fine with them giving it the 141 treatment honestly. Its such a cool jet.
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20 r-77s! Would be hilarious
from the panel @Zyranovos gave us, it read as follow concerning Payloads options:
12x R-77 or R-73
2x Kh-55 or Kh-61 or Kh-41
/OR/
8x Kh-29 or Kh-31
/OR/
12x 500kg bombs (Conventional HE or Frag-HE)
with only 8 external hardpoints and 12 internal hardpoints.
meaning that the internal hardpoints can’t allow for 12xR-77 (lenght:3.6m) , but most likely 4 in bomb-bay and 8 on external HP
Maybe some Kh-29/Kh-31 are also present on external points (maybe 4 internal / 4 external)
Kh-55/Kh-61 might be on external HP (Kh-55 lenght of 8.09m , Kh-61 of 6.04m) same for Kh-41 (don’t have data)
Bombs might all be in Internal bomb bay (lenght: 2.47m)
and the bombbay never was on the technological demonstrator.
The technical specs are right here…
It’s 12 internal r77 and 8 external r77
still no,… read again your own spec list talk of 12 R-77 only, you added the internal bay,… but the panel is crystal clear.
and the weapon bay was never made onto the demonstrator, so it would be hard to imagine gaijin adding it from thin air. (my guess is that if MiG 1.44 ever enter the game, it would have 8 external HP and that’s it)
you’re willing to tell me, that the aircraft being 20m ish of length is able to propose a 11m ish ventral weapon bay to accomodate 3x racks of 4xR-77 (3.6m * 3 = 10.8m), while getting 2x Saturn AL-41F? no,… sorry i don’t
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it have 12 internal hard points and then 8 external hard points. What are the 8 external hard points used for.
12x is carried internally.
8 more external
from a weapon bay that never existed IRL onto the demonstrator (first of all)
and the J-20 of similar size and configuration (lenght 20m) is only getting a weapon bay of 4x PL-15 (Lenght of 3.996m) [aircraft which seems to be inspired from MiG 1.44 project, even if both side never said it was]
so you’re actually delusionnal if you think that 12x R-77 of 3.6m would fit in the weapon bay
12 bombs is in weapon bay is already something incredible in the first place (and i was giving that)
Yeah because this is not production model… if it was to be implemented as is it would have 0 weapons what so ever. But we are talking of hypothetical production model and it would be had 20x hard points, 12 internal and 8 external
hardpoints are not always carrying all available weapons in the arsenal,…
like F-15’s : you can’t put AIM-9M in place of AIM-120’s, for ventral hardpoints - same thing here
unless you have plans and dimensions of the planned weapon bay - this can’t get 12xR-77 internally
4xR-77 internally and 8xR-77 externally is what i believe, from actual aircrafts that are VERY similar
but
12xFAB500 (2.4m lenght) in the weapon bay could happen (2x6xFAB-500)
or 4xKh-29 (3.9m) 4x Kh-31 (4.7m)
for a weapon bay of 5m length (which is already a bit bigger than the J-20 one)
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to be clear: i’m giving it a 5m weapon bay for this reason!
at some point you have to think around why J-20 don’t use more than 4x PL-15 in it’s weapon bay:
(same legend than MiG 1.44 before)
(oh please,… don’t forget gears systems too,… i did not showed them,… but they’re here aswell as fuel tanks)
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Yeah that would make sense then, then I wonder what the 20x hardpoints refer to, probably small bombs or something
To be perfectly clear - this panel specifically says “in weapon bays” sure it could be just an error or something, but if we take it literally - all those weapons listed would fit internally.
12x FAB 500 (length 2.4m - diameter 40cm) can easily figure that 12 internal points are made such as 2x6xFAB-500
2 rows of 6 bombs will give a length 5m [with 0.05-0.10-0.05 m gaps] / width : 0.4*6 = 2.4m let’s increase to 3m for gaps of 0.1m]
which could totally be done for MiG 1.44 (a weapon bay of 5m length x 3m width)
AGM like Kh-55 or Kh-61 are only going to fit on external points (as said earlier)
AGM like Kh-29 (3.9m x 1.1m with fins) or Kh-31[mod1] (4.7m x 0.91m with fins) some can be fitted in weapon bay (the maximum would be with internal and external points)
here’s translated sign board (on the image itself for lesss confusion)
Triple rack
(For su-57/su-37/su-75 but idk what other internal bays the mig 1.44 would’ve had because it never had them…)
(Also diagram depicts r-77m because that’s what the modern sukhoi stealth planes use)
where is the internal bay to fit that
Doesn’t exist lmao was only planned.
All ts did irl was fly, no radar, no weapon systems, no ordinance irl
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with triple racks, then maybe 6 in the bay, but that’s not 12, as discussed above the weapon bay would not extend long enough, or be large enough to allow for more than 2 racks (as seperation between racks would be about 0.2m minimum, and each racks are already about 1m width each)
i also don’t think the weapon bay would go with a lenght superior to 5m, as the heat produced internally by the 2 saturns AL-41F, can present a risk of ignition for solid rocket boosters
Su-37?
Actual name of su-47