“Build better things”
Better thing is built.
“No, you shouldn’t get it modeled properly even if its direct competitor got added”
Seems to be the consistent theme whenever new stuff gets added to France/Sweden. Occasionally Britain, but folk tend to be a lot less vitriolic towards Britain in my experience. Thing was designed to perform as a dogfight missile and medium range missile, competitor’s been added. Time to let it perform to its intended function.
give the C5 to other amraam launchers at top tier too
If the F15E can take it then yea, no real reason not to. Can of worms was opened with the missile not being limited to the F18s.
agreed. or just have it as a stopgap until we see newer missiles for those nations in the flavour of asraam and iris-t
Well it depends. If f15e is getting c5 then sure fix the pl12/aam4/mica. If its just the hornets, then the mica can stay gimped along with the others.
It is not limited to the F18. If it was only limited to the F18, people wouldn’t be spitting.
f15e/i + f18 late got it and finnish honert i think that was
Well nothing is final till it hits live and I could see them just removing the c5 from the f15e at this point for balance and leaving things the way they are.
That would be the sensible decision, so we’ve about as much hope of it happening as the moon turning to cheese.
But free cheese tho.
The F/A-18C’s and F-15E/I are dead last in KDR, KPS, and win rate among 14.0 fighters. There is likely a decent amount of that that can be attributed to their use in GFRB, where the Americans are also doing worse, but the trend likely remains similar. The fact gaijin is adding the 120C-5, and seems to only be doing so for the F/A-18 and F-15E at this moment seems to suggest this is to try to pull them up from their absolutely abysmal numbers atm.
In the meantime, the Rafale is first in all 3 categories, and the MICA armed M2K’s are consistently top 10 in those categories as well. It doesn’t need any more buffs, everyone else needs to catch-up, and there’s a long way to go to do so atm.
It is the team not the plane. + MICA is supposed to have a max range if 80 km (note that this is its max range under perfect condition, practical range should be around 50 km )
I came to the thread hearing the ‘but is uh prublem wuth murican mains not the plane’ argument coming at a distance (they’ll probably add C5 to the EF anyways)
Worse part they manage to make EFT radar worse than Gripen and nerf Euro FM
But Rafale? not even get nerf but keep getting buff both FM and MICA (at this point just unnerf Gripen and EFT FM to it old day they is justified)
I think the dev server is where we can test this proposal whack the range up and if it’s disgusting as we know it will be revert the change maybe remove the 50km self detonation to give MICA the ability to glide like Amraam does.
The F/A-18C’s and F-15E/I are dead last in KDR, KPS, and win rate among 14.0 fighters.
While I agree with you US player skill has always been an issue I see F/A-18C loaded with 10 120s lawn mowing, what do they expect to happen? You need altitude even Su-30 pilots realise this and try to climb even though the aircraft is underpowered compared to the F-15 and Euro canards.
Even a 120C shot from 100ft off the deck isn’t going to save them from a missile launched higher and faster. I also kind of object to giving the US another Phoenix style missile when we know how depressing the F-14 spam was.
Its always “X nation has bad players” when another nation is performing badly and always “my nation has the best players” when a players nation is overperforming.
There is something to be said about the quality and number of players that play various nations, but not to the point where the best performing jet in-game (Rafale) has almost double the KDR of the worst performing nation in-game (Isreal/US).
Its generally a terrible argument as well, since its largely anecdotal confirmation bias. Isreal is a minor nation, so it “should” be doing better than the US, but is pretty much on par with the US, if not slightly worse.
The French mains also like to say they’re the best pilots in-game which “explains” the Rafale and M2K’s numbers, but when given the same aircraft (M2K) Chinese mains perform better than french ones.
And actually perform better in the M2K than they perform in their own indigenous 13.7 jets, the J-10A and J-11B.
The vehicle and weapons arent everything obviously, but they play a much larger role in the average players performance and the general game balance than people are willing to admit, cuz admitting that they are having their stats padded by an overperforming vehicle and are not in fact “the best pilots” is too hard a pill to swallow for the ego of the avg player.
If the devs have chosen to add the 120C-5, its most likely to try to improve game balance in RB.
Can we go back on topic tho ?
Well, you got a compelling point against a buff as a whole.
I still think MICAs should be buffed (and every ARH ungimped), but at least i got to give you that.
Discussing general air balance when y’all are crying about the Rafale being made irrelevant by a new missile is on-topic.
You’re trying to have the MICA buffed for balance reasons after all…
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