I would actually be supportive of a MICA buff if the Rafale received historical nerfs in other aspects (losing its HMD, 2 missiles, or both). I have always said I preferred that option, as the MICA would be both the best in close range, and top 3 at long ranges with the caveat of somewhat reduced capability sub-20km and/or reduced match impact (or in sim, combat endurance), but the people asking for a historical MICA fix while being violently against any historical Rafale nerf, while the jet is already by far the best one in-game are just asking to have their cake and eat it too, at the expense of everyone else who plays WT.
Not that I really care to get into the HMD or extra missiles debate again, cuz its been talked to death, and wont be changed by gaijin. Its just an additional point to consider when “historical accuracy” is being thrown around as a reason for buffing the MICA.
All you guys talk is "nerfs"and “buffs”. Gripen got its FM changed according to data charts. It’s not “unnerfed” because you guys think so.
I do agree that balance right now isn’t great (I’d argue it’s still better than when f16 and mig29 were introduced with the r27er), but this kind of reasoning will go nowhere.
At least the EFT has pending reports. It’s just a shame that the devs aren’t working on it.
Just like it’s a shame that the MICA does not get historical fixes.
It’s not about “nerfs” or “buffs”, it’s about fixes, and to some extent, I agree, balance
But, on the case of the US teams, they have constantly had at best average win rate even with some of the best aircrafts (F4s, f16s introduction), and usually worse than most.
It’s like Russian ground, its score is quite bad for how dominant the nation is and has been for the past couple years… Obviously, it is not all the US player base skill that is an issue. The f15 is not the best 14.0, far from it. The rafale and EFT both beat it by a significant margin, but the SU30SM is simply not as good.
The problem is that half of the time when I fight US teams I just rip f15 after f15 because they are all in suborbital trajectory and can’t be bothered to notch a MICA from 20km away.
And usually, for the same vehicles, its score are higher than the US using the same vehicles. When the Netz was introduced, it was more than 10% better in general win rate
And that’s exactly a confirmation that different player base have different skill sets.
And considering the plane with MICA has basically the same WR as planes with PL12, I don’t think this is a confirmation that MICA is broken, since we can see that within a singular player base at the same match making, the Mirage 2000-5EI with better FM, apparently broken FM, has the same WR has the J11 with admittedly worse FM but a bit more PL12, that are, if I follow some people, absolute garbage
Rafale maybe but EFF?
only thing EFT beat F-15E is dogfight
Anything else F-15E is better
It faster have more maximum amraam even better radar (due to Gaijin not bother fix captor M)
I don’t see reason why people think EFT beat F-15E to dush even reality it kinda opposite.
F15E needs far more clearance than the EFT to notch ARH missiles, because it’s instantaneous turn rate is dogs hit (specifically the E). Just for that reason alone it’s clearly worse than the Eft in ARB since most engagement distances allow for the EFT to easily notch the missile while the F15 is basically in the NEZ of the missile
No, but it is relative the faster you fly the harder it is to defend.
Typhoon flying at mach 1.8 is great and it imparts more energy on your missiles but it also makes missiles fired at you more dangerous.
It’s a balancing act, Typhoon cannot pull 17G like other aircraft. It’s also as mentioned blind with a very poor Radar it is easy to run into jets your Radar has neglected to detect.
Now you should ask yourself why the F-15E got the AIM-120C-5 and not the EFT. Yet it’s not problematic for F-15E to get AIM-120C-5 according to @MythicPi
You are correct and if we are defending from one missile thats fine…
Multiple missiles launched from different aspects flying too fast wont allow you defend them all.
Which is why Typhoons top speed is a bit of a trap, you need to know when to be fast.
Cuz the Typhoon, regardless of how much of a broken mess it is, is still superior to the other current 14.0 jets in flight performance, while being somewhat manageable in the other aspects. It doesn’t hold a candle to the Rafale, but its still performing better than the rest of the 14.0, so may not need the AIM-120C-5 yet.
There are however a few 13.7’s which outperform it stat-wise, like the J-10A, J-11B, and Mirage 2K5F/Ei, and technically, if you average out all the Typhoons air KDR, which is what statshark shows in the pics I posted earlier, you end up with a KDR of 1.03, which would put it well behind the Su-30SM’s 1.18, and around where the most of the other 13.7’s are performing, though I’d rather go with the “best” performing EFT for the sake of throwing y’all a bone.
Any reason why you’re not on the Eurofighter/AIM-120C discussion thread and chastising them for asking for AIM-120C-5? I skimmed through it and did not see you commenting on there at all.
Presumably if the Rafale doesn’t need corrected MICA EM, then it also stands that the Eurofighter also doesn’t need AIM-120C-5?
Idk about the eurofighter’s fm necessarily, but the gripens fm on launch was a ufo. It simply doesn’t have the engine power to sustain turn the way it was. It was literally accelerating in full 14g turns because the drag was too low.
Yes actually. Cuz the EFT doesn’t have a 1.67 KDR, 1.22 KPS, and 66.3% WR. Being generally much closer to the other 14.0’s in performance, I think the call for it to get the AIM-120C-5 is much more reasonable one, particularly since it still needs to catch up to the Rafale along with all the other 14.0 jets.
That being said, as the end of that statement of mine you quoted states, it may not need the AIM-120C-5 yet. It may remain competitive with the other jets that are currently receiving the AIM-120C-5. I’m on the fence as to if I support the idea or think it should wait and see.
I’ve also already stated this before, but all the other top tier jets in-game are relatively well balanced, the Rafale on the other hand, is a MASSIVE problem. Between the worst performing 14.0 (F-15I) and the best performing EFT, the difference in KDR is 0.23, and the difference in KPS is 0.22. Between the Rafale and the second best performing 14.0 (british EFT), the difference in KDR is 0.48, and the difference in KPS is 0.3.
The difference between the Rafale and the second best 14.0 is double that of the difference between the second best 14.0 and the worst 14.0. You’d have to be blind or an idiot not to be able to figure out which plane is an outlier and a significant balance issue to the game. Theres a good chance the R-27EA isnt actually being discussed because of the AIM-120C-5, but because the Russians have nothing else to add beyond much longer ranged missiles like the R-37M Axehead or more advanced fox 2’s if they want to compete with the Rafale as is.
Its not just america getting it, its F/A-18C’s across all trees that have them and F-15E/I to my understanding, which hits the US/GER/SWE/ISR TTs. This makes sense when you consider the F/A-18C and F-15E/I are the worst performing 14.0’s in-game atm in KDR/KPS and iirc WR as well.
ie: its not american mains that are the problem, the F/A-18C and F-15E just dont seem to be performing to standard at the BR they currently sit in, and are getting buffs to compensate.
The Finnish Hornet was absolutely gutted, Israel is only played because shorter American tree, and American mains are just terrible players. There is a reason why they have the best stuff in the game but have terrible win rates.