It is not limited to the F18. If it was only limited to the F18, people wouldn’t be spitting.
f15e/i + f18 late got it and finnish honert i think that was
Well nothing is final till it hits live and I could see them just removing the c5 from the f15e at this point for balance and leaving things the way they are.
That would be the sensible decision, so we’ve about as much hope of it happening as the moon turning to cheese.
But free cheese tho.
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Current 14.0 jet stats
The F/A-18C’s and F-15E/I are dead last in KDR, KPS, and win rate among 14.0 fighters. There is likely a decent amount of that that can be attributed to their use in GFRB, where the Americans are also doing worse, but the trend likely remains similar. The fact gaijin is adding the 120C-5, and seems to only be doing so for the F/A-18 and F-15E at this moment seems to suggest this is to try to pull them up from their absolutely abysmal numbers atm.
In the meantime, the Rafale is first in all 3 categories, and the MICA armed M2K’s are consistently top 10 in those categories as well. It doesn’t need any more buffs, everyone else needs to catch-up, and there’s a long way to go to do so atm.
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It is the team not the plane. + MICA is supposed to have a max range if 80 km (note that this is its max range under perfect condition, practical range should be around 50 km )
I came to the thread hearing the ‘but is uh prublem wuth murican mains not the plane’ argument coming at a distance (they’ll probably add C5 to the EF anyways)
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Worse part they manage to make EFT radar worse than Gripen and nerf Euro FM
But Rafale? not even get nerf but keep getting buff both FM and MICA (at this point just unnerf Gripen and EFT FM to it old day they is justified)
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I think the dev server is where we can test this proposal whack the range up and if it’s disgusting as we know it will be revert the change maybe remove the 50km self detonation to give MICA the ability to glide like Amraam does.
The F/A-18C’s and F-15E/I are dead last in KDR, KPS, and win rate among 14.0 fighters.
While I agree with you US player skill has always been an issue I see F/A-18C loaded with 10 120s lawn mowing, what do they expect to happen? You need altitude even Su-30 pilots realise this and try to climb even though the aircraft is underpowered compared to the F-15 and Euro canards.
Even a 120C shot from 100ft off the deck isn’t going to save them from a missile launched higher and faster. I also kind of object to giving the US another Phoenix style missile when we know how depressing the F-14 spam was.
Its always “X nation has bad players” when another nation is performing badly and always “my nation has the best players” when a players nation is overperforming.
There is something to be said about the quality and number of players that play various nations, but not to the point where the best performing jet in-game (Rafale) has almost double the KDR of the worst performing nation in-game (Isreal/US).
Its generally a terrible argument as well, since its largely anecdotal confirmation bias. Isreal is a minor nation, so it “should” be doing better than the US, but is pretty much on par with the US, if not slightly worse.
The French mains also like to say they’re the best pilots in-game which “explains” the Rafale and M2K’s numbers, but when given the same aircraft (M2K) Chinese mains perform better than french ones.
Chinese vs French M2K stats:
And actually perform better in the M2K than they perform in their own indigenous 13.7 jets, the J-10A and J-11B.
Top tier Chinese jet stats:
The vehicle and weapons arent everything obviously, but they play a much larger role in the average players performance and the general game balance than people are willing to admit, cuz admitting that they are having their stats padded by an overperforming vehicle and are not in fact “the best pilots” is too hard a pill to swallow for the ego of the avg player.
If the devs have chosen to add the 120C-5, its most likely to try to improve game balance in RB.
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Can we go back on topic tho ?
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Well, you got a compelling point against a buff as a whole.
I still think MICAs should be buffed (and every ARH ungimped), but at least i got to give you that.
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Discussing general air balance when y’all are crying about the Rafale being made irrelevant by a new missile is on-topic.
You’re trying to have the MICA buffed for balance reasons after all…
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fixed*
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I would actually be supportive of a MICA buff if the Rafale received historical nerfs in other aspects (losing its HMD, 2 missiles, or both). I have always said I preferred that option, as the MICA would be both the best in close range, and top 3 at long ranges with the caveat of somewhat reduced capability sub-20km and/or reduced match impact (or in sim, combat endurance), but the people asking for a historical MICA fix while being violently against any historical Rafale nerf, while the jet is already by far the best one in-game are just asking to have their cake and eat it too, at the expense of everyone else who plays WT.
Not that I really care to get into the HMD or extra missiles debate again, cuz its been talked to death, and wont be changed by gaijin. Its just an additional point to consider when “historical accuracy” is being thrown around as a reason for buffing the MICA.
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All you guys talk is "nerfs"and “buffs”. Gripen got its FM changed according to data charts. It’s not “unnerfed” because you guys think so.
I do agree that balance right now isn’t great (I’d argue it’s still better than when f16 and mig29 were introduced with the r27er), but this kind of reasoning will go nowhere.
At least the EFT has pending reports. It’s just a shame that the devs aren’t working on it.
Just like it’s a shame that the MICA does not get historical fixes.
It’s not about “nerfs” or “buffs”, it’s about fixes, and to some extent, I agree, balance
But, on the case of the US teams, they have constantly had at best average win rate even with some of the best aircrafts (F4s, f16s introduction), and usually worse than most.
It’s like Russian ground, its score is quite bad for how dominant the nation is and has been for the past couple years… Obviously, it is not all the US player base skill that is an issue. The f15 is not the best 14.0, far from it. The rafale and EFT both beat it by a significant margin, but the SU30SM is simply not as good.
The problem is that half of the time when I fight US teams I just rip f15 after f15 because they are all in suborbital trajectory and can’t be bothered to notch a MICA from 20km away.
And usually, for the same vehicles, its score are higher than the US using the same vehicles. When the Netz was introduced, it was more than 10% better in general win rate
And that’s exactly a confirmation that different player base have different skill sets.
And considering the plane with MICA has basically the same WR as planes with PL12, I don’t think this is a confirmation that MICA is broken, since we can see that within a singular player base at the same match making, the Mirage 2000-5EI with better FM, apparently broken FM, has the same WR has the J11 with admittedly worse FM but a bit more PL12, that are, if I follow some people, absolute garbage
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Rafale maybe but EFF?
only thing EFT beat F-15E is dogfight
Anything else F-15E is better
It faster have more maximum amraam even better radar (due to Gaijin not bother fix captor M)
I don’t see reason why people think EFT beat F-15E to dush even reality it kinda opposite.
F15E needs far more clearance than the EFT to notch ARH missiles, because it’s instantaneous turn rate is dogs hit (specifically the E). Just for that reason alone it’s clearly worse than the Eft in ARB since most engagement distances allow for the EFT to easily notch the missile while the F15 is basically in the NEZ of the missile
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True but Typhoon is also flying faster making the missile coming towards it more dangerous lol