The SPIKE NLOS uses an RF two way data link…
idk how you can square the cognitive dissonance of knowing Spike NLOS/FPV Drones exist with stable data/footage transmission but the LMUR can’t have the same thing, despite evidence being presented
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How else do you get video feed back form the missile on a terminal phase then?
AGM-179s are absolutely useless; a single tank requires 3-4 missiles, sometimes even 5. Light tanks aren’t immune to these missiles either. These missiles often hit the tracks or the machine gun. They don’t strike from above like LMURs, but attack from below. It would be better to have given them 8 AGM-179s, but made them equal in power to the LMURs.
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it is sometimes quite impressive, somehow the russians can make the lancet which also have a two ways data link with much more range but now the LMUR has to follow the tech of a 70s bomb
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Uses both, depending on the application.
I admit a 40km SPIKE shot is not going to use fibre optics.
I suppose they consider the range far enough away that no target would detect it and the helicopter could then escape.
The radar of the mi28 and ka 52 already give more of a signal than the data link.
Thats not a lancet, i am talking about this
This is just another example of a UAV with a huge range and the ability to transmit images from a camera and correct flight
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Much shorter range, and permissive environments. And less concern
None of the situations are similar at all, though. When was the last time an Israeli Helicopter was shot down due to hostile ground fire? They have no need to fly low, and can simply hand off forward targeting to a 3rd party or hang around at high altitudes with little care.
First of all LMURs are fired from low altitude (due to tactical constraints, as UA most certainly has active Air defenses), and have Weight, Aerodynamic, Electrical and Mechanical, Layout limitations placed upon their transmitters which will constrain range significantly.
It really depends on what exactly you think the terminal phase entails
You don’t? You refine the targeting solution the best you can and hope that it locked what you wanted after that it’s out of your hands most of the time.
It’s not sending back data all the way to impact, it will cut out at some point. Especially considering post launch maneuvers, since overflying your target tends to be a bad idea. Pending final look angle and GPS support or some sort of Area Scanning mode.
There are only so many ways to sustain said datalink, and I doubt that the Russians would waste their finite satellite channels on a 480i video feed, also it’s not obvious where said Satellite antenna would be mounted.
Do you realize that the NLOS is also used from ground launchers? This also applies to the lancet and similar from the russian.
Again your comparation with the GBU15 is nonsense, quite funny of you when youre constantly complaining about how the stinger were model using the iglas…
There are 12,000 other satellites in the world, so no one would even know that a civilian satellite is used to guide the X-38, X-39 and other equipment.
They can archive its maximun range in game from low altitude…
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Lancet while effective is a very different system.
Lancet was quickly found out and that stream of data to the team in the field was often the target of a strike.
Lancet and everyone is moving to an automated tracking protocols. Only for specific targets would you ever want man in the loop.
I also question of the efficacy in a real peer to peer conflict using helicopters so close to the LOC.
Having a 20km range limits the Ka-52 and Mi 28 platforms in a hypothetical real war scenario.
In game the missile already have a 14,5 km range…
The principle is the same a two ways data link, and they can clearely sustain that link with the control unit even over the horizon, as they have been reported strikes on airfield well into ukranian territory.
Even using them as a relay you would need a significant constellation to provide the needed dwell time, also there would be obvious antenna’s on both the launching aircraft and missile, which they lack if that was the method of guidance. Also the input lag would cause issues.
Ok, now show me what the range looks like when the firing airframe maneuvers? There’s a reason why it’s stuck pointing its nose in that direction to support the missile, the AXQ-14, and assorted other datalink pods at least has a both a Forward and Rear T/R Modules to permit some ability to maneuver.
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Well, 1 satellite will be enough.
You’re stuck in 1950, when antennas and communications equipment were the size of houses.
4G fixes many problems
Nope it’s just to show people don’t use the Apache because of it’s performance not because it isn’t unique. Uniqueness could play a part but you acting as if it’s a major deciding factor is ludicrous. For someone who seems so sure of himself (even though you haven’t touched a single top tier heli at all), I didn’t see one comment saying that they don’t play it because it’s not unique…
Oh but don’t worry, I’ll also post it I’ll also post it here on the forums as well but I won’t be surprised if you find an excuse not to count it
You fail to realize that even before the new FnF agms, and spaa, helis is just as important as fixed-wing because it costs significantly less than them. But the thing is that the helicopter needs to be decent in order for it to be used successfully, something the 64D is not.
I honestly disagree, as good as JAGM is against other helis I find Mi28MN the best, because LMUR is by far the best missile against non LDIRCM helis, and its gun and vikhr can reliably kill a heli before they get close enough to lock it
because for some reason it is very rare to lock a mi28mi outside of 3km with any other heli, making JAGM very unreliable against them