Oh yeah the insane difference in strength regarding SACLOS Spaas doesn’t really make that easier. The Pantsir is undoubtedly great but the level falls off fast after that. Essentially overuptiering an spaa is just an insanely inconvenient way to counter a mechanic that shouldn’t even perform the way it does anyway
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oh yeah bc otomatic and vt1 its so good at 10km+
By the time your missile gets half the range, the heli already launched his atgm and hide, and thats if he is even at your vehicle range, bc some helis spawn even further
pantsir same nation as the mi28nm so pointless
tbh i am not a big battery system fan, they should add at the first place more powerfull system like the pantsir to the other tree before we went where we are now.
multipath and dircm, wont change nothing.
I dont think that any tree but the russian has a potential system as strong as the Pantsir thats not a multi vehicle battery
Only if you shoehorned it into some trees via India, UAE, Algeria etc. but i dont think anyone wants that
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yeah that sad, not to forget the russian still missing system that is not battery like the tor m1/m2.
but i was not talking russian made but system that are as powerful as the pantsir, idk the exact one i am too focus om the event right now
ok here what you want:
nerf dircm, make player lose interest of grinding heli trees, gaijin lose money bcz no one wanna buy premium heli and lost money bcz all that 3 models of heli are not used.
got it i will a suggerstion of it please support me
yeah thats the point there are none theres just SHORAD systems like Skyranger and the sorts and the next bigger step is already stuff like the Elde or IRIS T SLM. No one besides russia really went for singular vehicle midrange SPAAs
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What? The Apache and Z-10E would already be able to deflect 2 to 3 missiles, that is by no means “weak” also, this line of logic is dumb. Planes and helicopters are too strong, people lose interest in grinding vehicle trees, Gaijin loses money.
Flawless logic at display here.
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ok now is to make dircm less powerful so only ir air defense system can counter it ? favorism ?
Uh what? DLIRCM should be implemented realistically, but by no means would make helicopters “weak”. Instead of deflecting 16 missiles, it would be a maximum of 2 on most helicopters and that’s enough, considering you can deliver so much ordinance in the time you can loiter in the air before a missile comes your way.
The only helicopter to not benefit would the Mi-28 since its dazzler is placed in a bad position to intercept missiles that are coming head on like IRIS-T, but that’s a fair trade considering how powerful LMURs are in comparison to everything else.
The ah64E of france(netherlands) china, gb and japan dont have ldircm and are op already…just saying…even without it they are strong af…
but ofc they cant be as good as the us or russian ones because yk, minor nation tax and a lot of times already having weaker mbts to get into them. would rly suck if those were immune to most spaas, jet launched ir missiles/agms and other helis. Really, someone could get the idea of calling it “balanced” which we cant have here cuz this is war thunder. also…sorry italy, israel and sweden. who would have guessed that these dont get any equivalent usable helis (ok maybe 16 spike blackhawk but yeah still miles worse than mi28nm). paired with some nice no usable top tier spaa (for sweden and israel)… not me, certainly not me.
yet people will turn the back of the heli face to the missile when they see it launch.
it wont change nothing
Are you actually serious? Did you not read anything that I said? Two missiles would be all it would take to down a Mi-28.
how about the other ? how much do they need
3 because they have two IR laser dazzlers on each wing. 😑
so heli will be not worth it at all ?
It would make helicopters survivable still, you are forcing a IRIS-T battery to waste more missiles than it should. 2 will be dazzled and 1 will make it through, it would depend on how Gaijin implements the reaction time and cooldown between each missile deflected.
That would be nice, at least we would have some fighting chance…
didnt you read my post?