The MI28NM problem

Are you actually 12? Your suggestion isn’t addressing the main issue that is the unrealistic performance and implementation of LDIRCM.

I get it, you want players to counter it with SACLOS AAs but that shouldn’t be the case, because you’re leaving out an entire system out the game because it was rendered useless by a shitty feature.

What if the player didn’t bring a SACLOS AA? What if they want to use a more effective system? Smart players can dodge SACLOS missiles like it’s nothing. I do it on the UHT all the time, it’s so trivial. That’s why these new systems were added, so they could counter and close the gap between air and ground capabilities.

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Idk dude spending a lineup slot that might be limited for some players to bring a hopelessly outdated SACLOS SPAA into 13.0 just to maybe counter a braindead heli player sounds like really terrible counterplay

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i do it, maybe i got used to the pnatsir ? buk is too much for me, most player tend to multipath and chaff so yea.

and i agree that its not the same case for other tree like germany and sweden.

but as you said, it lead to the same results

Oh yeah the insane difference in strength regarding SACLOS Spaas doesn’t really make that easier. The Pantsir is undoubtedly great but the level falls off fast after that. Essentially overuptiering an spaa is just an insanely inconvenient way to counter a mechanic that shouldn’t even perform the way it does anyway

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oh yeah bc otomatic and vt1 its so good at 10km+
By the time your missile gets half the range, the heli already launched his atgm and hide, and thats if he is even at your vehicle range, bc some helis spawn even further
pantsir same nation as the mi28nm so pointless

tbh i am not a big battery system fan, they should add at the first place more powerfull system like the pantsir to the other tree before we went where we are now.

multipath and dircm, wont change nothing.

I dont think that any tree but the russian has a potential system as strong as the Pantsir thats not a multi vehicle battery
Only if you shoehorned it into some trees via India, UAE, Algeria etc. but i dont think anyone wants that

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yeah that sad, not to forget the russian still missing system that is not battery like the tor m1/m2.

but i was not talking russian made but system that are as powerful as the pantsir, idk the exact one i am too focus om the event right now

ok here what you want:
nerf dircm, make player lose interest of grinding heli trees, gaijin lose money bcz no one wanna buy premium heli and lost money bcz all that 3 models of heli are not used.

got it i will a suggerstion of it please support me
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yeah thats the point there are none theres just SHORAD systems like Skyranger and the sorts and the next bigger step is already stuff like the Elde or IRIS T SLM. No one besides russia really went for singular vehicle midrange SPAAs

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What? The Apache and Z-10E would already be able to deflect 2 to 3 missiles, that is by no means “weak” also, this line of logic is dumb. Planes and helicopters are too strong, people lose interest in grinding vehicle trees, Gaijin loses money.

Flawless logic at display here.

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ok now is to make dircm less powerful so only ir air defense system can counter it ? favorism ?

Uh what? DLIRCM should be implemented realistically, but by no means would make helicopters “weak”. Instead of deflecting 16 missiles, it would be a maximum of 2 on most helicopters and that’s enough, considering you can deliver so much ordinance in the time you can loiter in the air before a missile comes your way.

The only helicopter to not benefit would the Mi-28 since its dazzler is placed in a bad position to intercept missiles that are coming head on like IRIS-T, but that’s a fair trade considering how powerful LMURs are in comparison to everything else.

The ah64E of france(netherlands) china, gb and japan dont have ldircm and are op already…just saying…even without it they are strong af…

but ofc they cant be as good as the us or russian ones because yk, minor nation tax and a lot of times already having weaker mbts to get into them. would rly suck if those were immune to most spaas, jet launched ir missiles/agms and other helis. Really, someone could get the idea of calling it “balanced” which we cant have here cuz this is war thunder. also…sorry italy, israel and sweden. who would have guessed that these dont get any equivalent usable helis (ok maybe 16 spike blackhawk but yeah still miles worse than mi28nm). paired with some nice no usable top tier spaa (for sweden and israel)… not me, certainly not me.

yet people will turn the back of the heli face to the missile when they see it launch.

it wont change nothing

Are you actually serious? Did you not read anything that I said? Two missiles would be all it would take to down a Mi-28.