Citation needed.
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Pars 3, Spike, AGM 179, All of these, along with the others, have completely incorrect flight paths and lack the top-attack capability that the LMUR has.
I wouldn’t participate in night battles if I wanted to play the Ka-50.
I wouldn’t be against the Ka-50 having gen 1 thermals though I think it’s balanced at 11.3 without them.
The new squadron Mi-35 uses vikhirs, better zoom, access to good thermals and is at 11.7 while having a worse gun and flight performance than the Ka-50…
If the Ka-50 had gen 1 thermals it might warrant it going to 11.7.
The Ka-52 should go to 12.3 and the Z-10s should go to 12.0 too since their capabilities are considerably stronger than the other 11.7s / 12.0s.
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Maybe, though I’d rather detect them first via rocket + spectator camera most of the time anyways since it’s the safest method.
A Gen 1 thermal isn’t the op, especially if it’s modeled right. In thermal, the tanks would be too blurry from 6km or higher out to even be recognizable as a burning hulk or an actual tank.
KA-52 is 0.7 br higher, for a gen 3 thermal, and the ability to take iglas and S-130s with your Vikhirs.
Which is well balanced I’d say.
And all the Mi-24 variants are wayy too weak in game as is. They’re way too squishy
It’s true that gen 1 thermals makes it hard to differentiate between actual tanks or burnt-down vehicles, but the new-founded ability to focus on either two instead of possibly staring at a rock for a good second or so is quite an improvement.
Sure, it’s definitely not as useful as the thermals found on the Squadron Mi-35 but that’s the cost of having a BMP-2 gun and a much more usable flight model, don’t you think?
It’s not just that.
Better zoom, access to DIRCM (meaning no Fox 2 missile can kill you) and a pretty usable A-2-A and A-2-G radar, and a much more functional RWR.
The 8x Iglas is arguably 0.3 BR increase alone, the better zoom and gen 3 thermals is also arguably a 0.3 BR increase, and then the DIRCM, RWR improvement, Radar, and access to S-13OFs (that can trigger proxy fuze of SAM missiles) is also another 0.3 BR increase.
I wouldn’t mind them being less fragile to be honest.
The DIRCM is crap on all those Soviet helis, they rarely if ever do anything. From the Mi-24s to the KA-50s.
Fim-92s have no problem picking you out of the sky even in the worst conditions.
But I feel like that may be the Fim-92 is either over preforming, or the Helis run way too hot even with HIRSS, and an IRCM equipped.
Yes the 30mm is better than the 23mm but the 30mm is gimbaled not turreted.
Iglas are kinda meh, so they alone don’t warrant a 0.3 br increase but combined with S-130s sure.
Optics are good on every heli that high up.
Yes the flight model is better and should be but the survivability of both should be quite good, to match their irl performance. The avionics nerfs make them both very weak though.
Granted this isn’t limited to just them.
110% one .50 cal often disables you entirely or blows the whole tail off while the AH-1G, Huey’s, and SA. Alouette can eat 100mm rounds to the engine and straight through the cockpit.
Well the Ka-52 is an exception because it gets DIRCM and not IRCM(found on the Mi-24s, which I agree are very unreliable).
I believe that’s the case for the Ka-50 (doesn’t get any IRCM) and the Mi-24s (crappy IRCM that only half the time works against non-IRCCM missiles) but I don’t think that’s ever the case with the Ka-52 unless the stinger slinger is that of the LAV-AD via hydra rocket-assisted guidance.
The fact that it isn’t chin-mounted like the Mi-28 is a con, I agree, though with the flight performance of the Ka-50 / Ka-52, it doesn’t seem to be as big of a problem than I’d thought. You can usually swing your heli around to the required orientation / attitude as needed.
That’s fair though 8x is still quite nice (regardless of how mediocre one individual igla is). If you didn’t know, iglas have a much faster spool-up time than the TY-90s, which is pretty handy.
If we compare other attributes (such as access to Vikhirs / 550 RPM 30mm APDS / DIRCM) then they’d still be relatively outclassed.
But if we’re strictly comparing the Ka-50 to the 52 then the optics is definitely a plus.
Agreed.
Yeah, for such a large helicopter I expected it to be a little more survivable, though it’s not like bombers in war thunder are either 😅
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I don’t think an aam is defeated by the IRCM, and if DIRCM works, they got me fooled.
As far as I know the Best Russian heli against IRCCM and non IRCCM AAMs is the Mi-28A promptly located in the Swedish tech tree.
I did a lot of testing with a buddy after we watched one avoid Fim-92K after Fim-92K and he was flaring last moment on a lot of them, and by last moment I mean they were practically touching him.
Then we went through and tried every other heli (before LDIRCM was added to the Mi-28Nm) and found all of them, regardless of modifications equipped, and in pretty much every conceivable method, flying away, flying towards, high low, etc. the Fim-92k would always strike a hit with the first launch, and either completely cripple a helicopter or kill it out right.
The flight model is middle ground for the KA-50s. Better than the mi-24s worse than the Mi-28s meaning the gimbaled gun is usable but not easily. Easier on the ka 50 over the 52.
Yeah that’s for sure. But why are those helis I mentioned so tanky??? When they weren’t irl?
The Mi-28NM is so f-ing opressive. Vikhrs and LMURs are the worst combo this game has seen surrounding helicopters. As any other helicopter, you are put in a massive disadvantage.
Just for fun, name me 1 helicopter you can think of that is is better and explain how. You will not be able to.
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New Pantsir will also kill all of your helicopters as well DIRCM wont work against a mach 4 missile that is manually guided.
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We are back to USS- I mean Russia dominating in the AD and CAS roles again, so this problem is now even more relevant.
Mach 4,956268. Basically mach 5*
Mamba intercepted 6 missiles and then killed the helicopter. I guess it’s all it takes to make life hard for the 28NM.
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I won’t take a stance on this as I didn’t really read much but its not LDIRCM like 13.0 Helis, its just regular IRCM, meaning it’ll fool non-IRCCM IR missiles, but won’t against any form of IRCCM (IRIS-T, 9M, etc)
KA-52’s DIRCM stops IRCCM missiles found on all planes at the moment. It just doesn’t work against AGMs and IR missiles like the AIM-9X and IRIST.
Really? Did you test this? Last I did, it didn’t.
After a few hundred battles of Squadron Battles against KA-52, I sure hope I’m correct 😅
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My bad then.
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