Now do you think it’s normal that a vehicle can’t be placed at a BR ? Not it’s not, which is why the whole BR system needs to be overhauled.
The problem is it’s an ever existing problem that will never be solved to everyone’s satisfaction.
Maus fanatics will forever gripe that they’re too high because tanks can penetrate their archaic armor scheme. Opponents will decry moving them down or limiting the opponents they face with the tools like HEAT FS and APFDS to where they seal club.
There is no perfect answer. Its more finding the best solution for the most players, or atleast the least worst.
We don’t have to care about sealclubbers, what we need to do is fix the BR system so that every vehicle has a fair chance at fighting and winning battles, this is not only a problem for the Maus, but also for many other vehicles. I have talked about the J-35 before which faces the same issue
In the end, we cannot leave a broken BR system just because a tiny minority of players won’t be satisfied.
A very much large majority of players want to see the BR system get overhauled, simply because some vehicles cannot even get added because of the latter.
Perfect will forever be the enemy of good enough and even if the Br system is overhauled it is entirely likely some vehicles will never be good fits.
The Maus will forever be one of those.
I would very much like to see the BR system expanded to 15.5 or so giving definition to the different systems that make significant capability shifts.
But even if we did that, because of what it is, the Maus is always going to be higher than users of it want because of what it is by definition
We don’t know this, now is time to fix the BR system to see if it will be or not, it seems to me that this issue is very much avoidable by even the smallest of changes, like making the maximum uptier +0.7, this small change would allow the Maus and a lot of other vehicles to be competitive while still not being overpowered.
I do agree with you there, there are some vehicles which will never be able to be balanced, but gaijin sure could do a hell of a better job to reduce the number of vehicles that are this way, in my opinion the Maus doesn’t enter in that category.
Yes, we do.
It will forever be stuck in an impossible position br position because it is an ardently bad vehicle that gives up everything for a big gun and thick poorly designed armor.
Flawed vehicles will always struggle unless we give them unbalanced positions like in WOT.
Honestly, if gaijin:
- Implemented shell shattering for the APHEDS
- Increased the reload time of the 128mm and especially the 75mm
- Reduced the track durability
I could very well see the Maus work perfectly at 7.3. If you track it and outrun the already really slow turret you can penetrate its side with most 5.7+ vehicles since it’s just a flat 180mm plate while it also wouldn’t get absolutely destroyed by 8.7s with LRFs and stabilized dart slingers.
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No we don’t.
It is flawed because of the BR, now since things can change and don’t have to stay stuck in the same way forever, by changing the BR system we could make the Maus face way fewer cold war vehicles with ammunition that will just not care about its armor, while still ensuring that a few of those vehicles stick around to stop a Maus that’s on a killing spree. You keep saying it’s bad, while failing to understand that it is so because of the vehicles it is facing.
I don’t think the 128mm reload’s need to be higher honestly, it’s already long enough as it stands, but all the other 3 changes you propose could actually work. Gaijin could also reduce the barrel’s durability
There’s only one way to know and it’s testing if it works, which I’m sure it will.
I suggested the reload nerf so they don’t do that. It would be really annoying to get barreled by 12.7s again
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Haha maybe we don’t need to get that extreme cause this would indeed be very annoying, but just reducing it by a tiny bit would be great, I believe the 128mm has a fairly realistic reload, and as we have seen in the past Gaijin is willing to sacrifice the game’s enjoyability for realism.
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Wrong
Wrong. It’s bad because it’s a poorly designed vehicle.
You can’t fix that.
There’s no “fair” way to tier the Maus with any other tanks. Either you make other tankers happy or you make Maus drivers happy, as this thread shows.
Maus drivers want to be placed at a BR where they don’t face threats that can defeat the poor armor scheme of the Maus.
Opponents to the Maus want it at a BR where they have tanks that can fight it.
You’re just in Denial at this point…
Nope, this is right. Are you gonna keep saying “wrong” again like a child when i’ve proven you wrong?
Right, yet again. It is very well designed for a WW2 setting, in fact it is so much well designed for a WW2 setting that we need to make it face post WW2 vehicles for it to be destroyed.
If it’s such a poorly designed vehicle, why not place it at 7.0, or hell, even at 6.7 if it’s that bad! That’s just nonsense.
Are those Maus drivers in the room with us? That’s just a lie, Maus drivers want to be placed at a BR where they have a fair chance at being competitive, which they don’t right now, everything is agaisnt you when you drive a Maus.
So do Maus drivers, they want a BR where they have a chance at being competitive while still not being OP. Which means changes to the BR system have to happen so that those Maus can face fewer Cold war vehicles. Their armour will still mean something most of the time until they attract the attention from post war HEAT-FS carriers.
You’ve made claims, you’ve proven nothing. All you’re doing is crying about how it’s unfair.
No it’s not. It was poorly designed IRL, and that translates to WT.
Funny considering
Doesn’t exist. Even if the BR’s are legitimately fixed and decompressed the Maus will always be a failure as it was in real life. It will always face smaller tanks with projectiles that can penetrate it and Maus drivers will cry about that demanding to be lowered in BR.
As I said, it’s an endless circle.
So you don’t know how to read? Or maybe this is ironic, as you have made numerous statements yourself without proper argumentation to back them up, as opposed to what I have done, you are only inventing yourself a world in which the Maus is completely useless and impossible to balance. This world is very comfortable for you maybe, but it doesn’t exist.
Alright then, let’s put it in 7.0 or 6.7, how about that?
Now that you have seen how ridiculous what you say is, here are the supposed advantages of the Maus:
-Armor
-Firepower
-Sights
We know that germans had superior sights in WW2 but this obviously cannot be modelled in WT.
Now onto armor, if this vehicle really was a poorly designed vehicle it should mean that its armor is extremely weak, as armor was one of the things that really mattered during WW2, in case you didn’t know. We have seen in WT that the Maus’ armor is almost unpenetrable, which obliges us to make it face more advanced post war vehicles, this alone should tell you that it’s not “poorly designed” lol
Speaking about Firepower i think the Maus is pretty well modelled here, its gun is very powerful and has a very capable shell, it also has a really usefull 75mm.
Yes it does exist, we can make the Maus face fewer cold war vehicles, we can stop the Maus from facing M60A1s and Bradleys which is just ridiculous and only make it face 8.0s or even maybe 8.3s would work?
It’s not, your way of thinking is an endless circle though, as opposed to the Maus situation.
What if the solution is to lower the Maus BR to like 6.0 but also make it cost a lot more to spawn as if it were a fully loaded bomber.
That way while it might be OP its also not available immediately comes at a significant opportunity of cost.
After all the Maus would have been OP if fielded during WWII and would have almost certainly be defeated via bombing than via tank on tank engagements.
These don’t have to be mutually exclusive options either. Have the ability to switch between 7.7 for normal use or 6.0 for special spawn use.
That’s a good idea but 6.0 is way too low, even in this special use i would place it at a minimum of 7.0, which would already cause problems in the current BR system.
I can read just fine. You’re just saying nuh huh to facts isn’t “making proper argumentation” you’re doing a fine job of doing exactly what I said Maus drivers always will.
best of luck with all that
Are you throwing a tantrum because you aren’t getting your way?
You keep saying the maus is badly designed, i keep proving you wrong and you go on to ignore what i say and “go in an endless circle”, you don’t even bother explaining why the Maus is badly designed, it just is apparently.
Facts isn’t necessarily what you write in your posts, facts represent reality. I have told you numerous times that the Maus would fit in a revised BR system and telling why i think so but you just ignore this and say “Muh WRONG cuz I think this way so it must be the truth!” and that stops here.
And what do they always do? what’s that supposed to mean? Ugh, you’re being such a Rooikat player anyway…
Obviously such comments and empty argumentation comes from someone who has never even played the Maus.
Ah yes, because of your arguments the historical flaws with it being too big, too heavy, too slow, and with bad armor scheme have all been rewritten. It’s a miracle that Germany didn’t win the war because of them.
Lol