İ know that Leopard2 won that competetion far easily, it met all standarts determined by Turkish Army, if those arrogants wouldnt be so insisted about demanding Leopard2’s technology they could’ve get those tanks without issue, Well 1999 earthquake also didnt helped that issue either.
Considering what happened regarding the recent M735 nerf (which still hasn’t been corrected in the Dev server), I’ve just lost all faith in any of you to get things done regarding vehicles that are blatently underperforming in this game.
Leclerc’s armor can stay so poorly modeled that post-nerf M735 can still pen it’s UFP, yet anytime we get multiple sources that all come to a consensus regarding a common armor effectiveness for Leclerc’s armor, it’s completely thrown out the window because it allegedly “contradicts” each other.
5 sources that all list the same range of armor protection?
That’s so “contradicting”!!!
I’m aware that the spall liners and armor for Leclerc have been acknowledged recently, but I still have 0 faith that any of them will be implemented into the game; at least if this complete BS regarding standards for implementation continues.
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They are litteraly mocking us
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Yeah, the whole thing about needing to know the spall liner’s placement and shape is equally as laughable.
Completely guessing and making entirely fictional ammunition stowage placements on the new incoming Challenger 3 (P)?
Yeah, that’s completely fine!
Implementing spall liners for Leclerc, even if it takes a little bit of guess work in it’s exact placement and coverage?
Nah, we can’t do that chief!
We need EXACT photos and proof of it’s placement. If we don’t get exact proof of where it goes, then you will never get it.
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We need classified photos basically lol
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Just to reiterate, we already know the rough shape and placement of the spall liner. It’s integrated into the modular armor.
A low ball guesstimate will be better then nothing. But no it’s
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Russian propaganda and bold claims are only valid when it favors Russia but unreliable otherwise and cannot be used for NATO vehicles, in what world does that even make sense?
You guys are literally denying anything that isn’t outright classified information whilst pretending NATO vehicles have not evolved in decades, I’m out of words to describe the circus this game has become.
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“We already know russian sources lie, so give us some classified info pls.”
“BTW we just found this napkin that read T-series don’t spall, so we aren’t going to fix that either!”
These double standards are starting to get a bit old…
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M735 was buffed by 4mm of pen at 2km, but I don’t know what the changes were for 100 meters as I didn’t have that data before the update.
I am curious if there are further changes regarding the ammo in the future.
Spall liners for Leclerc are coming, as well as armor changes.
@Miragen
Weird since T-90M uses a 1984 hull and slightly improved 2006 turret armor.
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Weird since the 2A7 is worse than a 1995 version of the same vehicle, oh wait it’s not but Gaijin is pretending it is.
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Leclerc (All Variants) Incorrect Side Armour
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/DMAZC8OWF8uW
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Nothing for the Leclerc… I think it’s time for us to understand that Gaijin don’t give a sh*t about France!
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Yeah, I figured. I’ve said that it’s a possibility that a universal Leclerc buff could happen to have the Leclerc competitive, but as more time goes by its increasingly unlikely…
So France is pretty much dead as a ground tree, not like it was very competitive to begin with. But now it will likely just be unplayable.
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I play France solely to take the attackers and the choppers out at top tier. Leclerc just works, there is nothing outstanding about it.
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I don’t have a single shred of hope. I’ve just checked. Bossman, wareta and the few others on the discord we’ve been working on for the Leclerc has about 14 acknowledged reports over the course of 3 months. Of all of those, the only one that has actually been implemented is just changing the weight of the 120 F1 penetrator in the start card, with no actual change in the way it performs.
I don’t think devs have any interests in the French ground tree. That is further proved with the lack of a real high tier light tank in the tech tree, which could be an easy imp,ementation as both chassis and turrets for a few vehicles are actually already present in game…
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T-90A is from 2004, sure it got thermals standartised in 2006 but turret existed in its form serialy since 2004.
Now if you go back to the USSR before the collapse:
Spoiler
Object 187
One is version with gasturbine from T-80s, other two are probably versions with 1000hp engine, other one could be version with 1200hp x-engine.
Theres even better version with new style UFP that gets rids of driver hatch weakspot and improves armour but my point is turret is design from late 1980s), used on 2004 tank, later upgraded to be T-90M/MS turret in 2011/2012 (we have trials video from 2012)
Object 187 is development from (1986-1988)
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they didn’t touch the Leclerc at all, time for me to continue coping im not sure i will ever play leclerc anytime soon with an already shattering dart now against everything with spall liners
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Well…I guess that we could ask for DM53 (like the italians) if they aren’t going to fix anything about the Leclercs.
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did the vbci 2 fire rate get nerfed or am i crazy the sound seems so delayed
so first two Leclercs (S1 & S2) stay on rank7, SXXI & AZUR get moved to rank8 … all have the exactly same BR of 11.7, all fight against exactly the same opponents, but first two won’t have default APFSDS rounds and will have to grind better shells using HEATFS
We’ve decided to introduce this rule due to the fact that Rank VIII MBTs have well developed, all-round HEAT defense, and HEAT shells can be ineffective even against the side protection of tanks.
even Gaijin now officially admits that HEATFS is useless …
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