Leclerc could probably do with some armour fixes before reload buffs no?
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or both at the same time? Gaijin just has to have the courage to do it.
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Hello,
Over the last week or so I have been researching the Leclerc and compiling various credible resources (none of which are classified) which have very exciting information, such as:
- Every Leclerc from the S1 should have frontal hull protection and turret protection that is impervious to M829A2 (the lower front plate is unarmoured, however)
- The SXXI should have 3rd Gen Commander and Gunner Thermals
- The practical reload rate is indeed 5 seconds
- OFL 120 F1 should have 560mm of penetration at 2000m
However, I have reached a point where Google Translate has become unviable; as such, I was hoping for people who are fluent in Polish, Russian and French to join me in this endeavour.
Additionally, I was wondering if any of you had access to the following resources:
- Stephane Ferrard, Gerard Turbe: “Le Systeme Leclerc”
- Yu. Charov. “French main battle tank ‘Leclerc’” - “Foreign Military Review”
- Trucks and Tanks Magazine Special Issues 24, 31,34
- Raids Magazine Special Issue 3
- Stefan Marx: “LECLERC - Der französische Kampfpanzer des 21”
- Dariusz Użycki: “Leclerc - pół generacji przed Abramsem i Leopardem”
- Jean-Gabriel Jeudy: “Chars de France: Les dieux ont soif du sang des hommes”
- Laurent Tirone: “De l’AMX 13 au Leclerc”
- M. P. Robinson, Thiery Guillemain: “Char Leclerc”
- Marc Chassilan: “New Encyclopedia Of Modern Main Battle Tanks: Volume 1”
- G.L. Kholyavsky "The Complete Encyclopedia of World Tanks 1915 – 2000”
If you are interested in working with me, whether to track down resources or help translate, please PM me on the Forums.
I plan to write a report which would outline all the historical inaccuracies of the Leclerc as implemented in War Thunder as well as resolutions to these problems. The aim is to resolve the problems of the Leclerc once and for all! As such, using the information within this report, several bug reports and suggestions will be made.
However, I will not be sharing any of my sources unless we end up working together. I don’t want bug reports or suggestions made prematurely as this would only serve to prolong the current issues. Therefore, if we do end up working together, it will be on the provision that no sources are shared outside of the team.
Sincerely,
Bossman919
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Accuracy isn’t a thing to consider when Gaijin admitted that reload is a balance factor and isn’t always based on real capabilities.
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In terms of making things slower yes.
Nothing has met their real reload except for the fixed-gun platforms such as 103, AMX-13, AMX-50, and so forth.
Every other tank reloads slower, for tanks it’s usually 1 - 3 seconds depending on the reload.
I am not going to complain about a 6 second reload that has allegedly unedited video proving it, a third party document substantiating it, and it being among the fastest in War Thunder, only beaten by Japan.
Not really.
In the latest update, both the T-54 and Bat-Chat/AMX 50-90 got their reload buffed in exchange of a higher BR.
Sure it doesn’t really make sense to complain about something that isn’t totally bad, but the idea here is to make at least one aspect of the Leclerc competitive for it has none right now.
Probably the worst armour, not the best mobility, not the best reload, not the best at anything so why would we bother play it while it’s literally worse at everything ?
I think giving the Leclers 5sec realod would put it in perfect place. On top their upper front plate is innacurate , but reload would help by much.
I dont understand why T80 BVM have speed , armor , good gun , decent reload , 50% of ammor suriviving direct with one drawback bad depression.
Its actually only Russian tanks having armor + STRV122 everything else is paper when it comes to hull.
Leclerc currently has the 3rd fastest reload at top BRs.
BVM has the 3rd “worst” armor at top. Leclerc has worse, and Ariete is the worst.
Reload isn’t top 5.
Gun is “identical” to Leclerc’s gun, namely in penetration.
@ehj78
AMX had their reloads fixed* which resulted in the BR change, not the other way around.
Having the 2nd best reload at top BR is still fast.
Armor is the verifiable thing we all know is incorrect.
Leclerc can get better armor than T-80BVM, it’s just a matter of providing the correct evidence for implementation.
3rd one.
Type-10 is the first, Challenger 2 series are the second.
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It also matches Leo and Abrams Ariette when they have ace`d crew .
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Yup.
M1A2 is “the size” of T-72 is the size of T-80BVM as seen by a photo you decided to upload:
This is well known… and the entire turret of T-80B is the weakspot, it’s lolpenned by any top round.
The only thing BVM has on its turret is 30% ERA coverage when its looking at a tank, which leaves most of its turret exposed for easy penning.
You shouldn’t insult people just cause they have knowledge you’re unaware of.
Especially when you copy exactly what I said about Leclerc’s armor… which means you called yourself the same name.
Leclerc has issues and you should be focusing on that instead of defending Russian equipment.
And I should stop defending American equipment from your slander in this thread.
@Panther2995
Thank you, I forgot about Challenger’s reload for a bit. So use to the 2nd stage reload.
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First ready rack is so small that it makes you ignore that you have 5.3 second reload for couple of seconds.
Same thing happens to me when im using my Chally DS.
Stop going off-topic, this is a Leclerc Issues post, if you want to discuss about other stuff do that in another place.
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Think you pinged the wrong guy.
Anyway, there’s still the T-54 case. And even for the TO-90 turrets, they’ve been implemented for years, they didn’t really care about fixing the reload imo, they just wanted them to go up and gave it a better reload for it.
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Are there any issues with the Leclercs with regards to mobility in-game?
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Its still pretty mobile tank , but its not as mobile as it should be .
Only russian equipment is better than in real life , NATO is worse , just because :)
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Such as? I tested the Leclerc SXXI with an ace crew and max crew level and achieved acceleration from 0 - 32km/h on a flat road in about 3.3 seconds. The claimed acceleration from 0 - 32km/h is 5.5 seconds.
The only thing that could be incorrect is that the Leclerc is allegedly able to reach full power delivery within 2.8 seconds. I’m not sure if there’s a way to test this in-game, however.
“The French LeClerc MBT gets “extraordinary” acceleration performance by coupling its eight-cylinder
conventional diesel engine to a turbine. This Hyberbar engine goes from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 sec,
while conventional diesels require 8–12 seconds (Klotz, 2000).”
The citation ‘(Klotz, 2000)’ refers to Issue 9 of the Military Technology Magazine in 2000 w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ a̶ F̶r̶e̶n̶c̶h̶ M̶a̶j̶o̶r̶ i̶s̶ i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶v̶i̶e̶w̶e̶d̶ b̶y̶ ‘K̶l̶o̶t̶z̶’ where Lt. Col. Martin Klotz (Head of MBT and AFV Programmes in the French Army Staff) is interviewed by the magazine. However, I only have excerpts of the magazine (and not the ones I want).
That’s not true. Information on Russian tanks is much more widely available. It’s irrelevant to the post anyway.
Now that I think about it, the neutral traverse has to be incorrect. Part of the Leclerc’s design was that it was meant to turn and pivot way better than its Western counterparts.
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Dude, this is a Leclerc thread. Stop defending Russian equipment so much.
They’re not that good in-game, at all.
