W.T.F really?
I just checked it out, and it’s actually true… What is this? Is this bullying? I can’t help but laugh at this lol
Yup, even Pantsir’s 30MM cannon that has 65mm pen can disable it.
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There you go, unlike any other MBT’s Leclerc’s Gunner optics considered part of FCS module that can be penetrated and easily killed even with something as bad as RDF/LT’s round.
@Smin1080p_WT Do you guys have anything to say for this pathetic implementation?
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I mean if you managed to design the most expensive modern mbt that can still get penned with crew loss and other critical damage by the ZSU-23 s 23 mm APIT rounds with 50 mm pen frontally through the entire lower front plate you might as well make sure the same also happens to half of its turret face as well. The crew sure dont wanna be in that tank anyhow, considering how paper it is. Makes you wonder where the 56 tons of weight are coming from but whatever, they probably strapped lots of metal plates somewhere as counterweight or sth…
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Just like the Ariete WAR kit. The weight of the vehicle is just for the lols
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Chemical warheads…All they cared about is protection from chemical warheads…Thats surely how that went down. On one hand it teaches you to take nothing that happens in wt too seriously, on the other hand its a very high daily dose of wtf.
Oh and the weight is just there so a full 360° turn of a leclerc or type 10 with neutral steering still takes at least 3 seconds longer than any T-80 or 90 series tank without neutral steering. And that gets exceedingly worse on uphills the steeper they are. On some of the slight uphills on the test drive map it is almost impossible (from standstill) to move and turn the chassis of a leclerc. One track is just freewheeling without any effect. Combination of 0 traction and the tanks modelling hits hard on these ones.
Then you see videos of what these monsters irl can actually do and move up and you’re like…Oh thats why war thunder is “semi” realistic lol EDIT: after some thinking it should be semi “realistic” really
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Ah yes, all that weight to protect against chemical, but all Gaijing gives you is maybe like 100mm of CE protection anyway. I think all that weight comes from the balls of the crews daring to play such unarmored vehicles as main battle tanks
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By the way since the turret baskets were added to the leclercs I’ve severely struggled with them, i tried em out a week or so ago and a damn abrams managed to take out my turret ring with his .50 cals through the side…
Now you pointed out this with the optics man pff.
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Cries in merkava missing most its armour as well 😂
Gaijin deliberately nerfing every single nation that puts challenge against Russians.
First USA and Germany now Japan and France, meanwhile BMPT still rolls around with busted damage model and Pantsir SVM rules the sky alongside with MI28NM+SU30SM2 combo.
Honestly its getting pretty disgusting at this point, i cant even enjoy my brand purchased EBRC Jaguar due to BMPT spam…
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i just want to say that the type 10 is still locked a 30°/s traverse and the elevation is also poopoo, but i agree on what you said
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Don’t worry, just wait for your savior:
At that time, according to Hélène Conway-Mouret, rapporteur for opinion on program 146 “Equipment of the forces”, three options were on the table to find a successor to the Leclerc while awaiting the commissioning of the MGCS, namely “a French turret on a German chassis, a Franco-French construction or an off-the-shelf purchase from Germany”, with the “risk of making us lose all the skills on this segment”.
The DGA confirmed Ms. Conway-Mouret’s information. “Regarding the ‘intermediate tank’ capability in the context of the MGCS, the three scenarios you mentioned are indeed being considered, for an intermediate target of 200 tanks. A final decision has not yet been made. However, choosing a French turret on a German chassis is undoubtedly the most rational and quickest option,” he said.
You WILL buy German cus it’s better, and you WILL like it.
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yeah, gonna be the smartest choice.
Leclercs just have been shown to be worse and they lost the actual capability to produce them.
france signed their own death in the tank segment long time ago
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Nahhh.
Just slap some additional armor like they proposed on Swedish Trails and use Relict, I’m sure Russian ERA will solve all the problems Xd.
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Leclerc : shoots T-90M’s autoloader.
T-90M : still able to shoot poor Leclerc and kill it.
T-90M : shoots Leclerc’s autoloader.
Leclerc : impossible to shoot T-90M : autoloader destroyed.
???
Punished if not russian ??
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quite honestly i think DGA can’t be bothered anymore
They have to finance
- MICA NG + Comet AAM
- Stratus AShM
- AASM XLR
- MLRS based on a Safran rocket
- Suffren SSN successor already in the works
- Nuclear deterrence modernisation programs (SSBN 3G, ASN4G, M51.4)
- PANG (Aircraft carrier)
- SAMs production and commands ramping up (Mistrals, MICA, Asters)
- More frigates to be bought (FDI)
- SCALP production restarted
- Rafale F5 / FCAS
- Akeron LP integration on EC tiger helicopter
- Diverse drone programs (Rodeur 330, Fury 120, Arok, Colibri, OWE)
regarding the drones
100% made “with 3D printers and legos” guaranteed
if you get it you get it
Considering the shape modern battlefields are taking, i think they are more comfortable with letting go of the know-how on the heavy tank segment and concentrate on light vehicle that can still take these threat in consideration if necessary, like EBRC Jaguar
Armor for crew is still useful, but heavy guns for tank on tank combats not so much at this point, and quite honestly investing in new tanks feels more and more like building a brand new fast battleship in the 1950s with each passing day of the 2 current conflicts
And so, yet another one of my favorite weapons is being retired from active service and becoming a part of history…
I don’t blame them, but it’s funny to me, because some of the most “die-hard French fanboys” have been again and again telling me Germany’s to blame for all of France’s issues, and then that France should just develop FCAS alone, and when I rightly point out that France, and its government, genuinely do not and will never likely have the finances to actually do that, I get called a shill lol
On the other hand, DGA is trying their best to favor what’s needed most to them I guess, they can’t, unlike BAAINBw and the Bundeswehr, just order like 16 new frigates, 12 of which will be AEGIS, like 250 new MBTs, and a bunch of other things that will make them the largest Army/Air Forcer in European NATO, and about a third largest Navy, after all - on top of programs like Leopard 3/MGCS/FCAS/EFT T5+, etc.
They can finance what is truly needed alone. If they can co-develop something and split the cost, great (that’s what is happening on Stratus or Comet for example).
If not, then so be it, you don’t sell your own independance for a bit of money (disastrous in the long run, crazy some still don’t realize it in 2026)
Tanks are just not their priority, that’s my point
They are technologically advanced, great engieneering marvels, sure, but they are not the most efficient way of fulfilling an objective anymore.
At this point i wouldn’t even be surprised if they decide to simply not replace Leclerc at all in a few years.
I’m not sure comparing a tank fleet to navies is really relevant.
The most expensive things in the french arsenal (SSBNs) still have an unknown cost, something Germany does not need to pay for. I’m pretty sure this fleet of 4 SSBNs is as (more actually) expensive as a fleet of 250 tanks, no questions asked.
Finally, if there’s something everyone needs to realize, it’s that More money != better.
US procurements proved it again and again, the 2 recent conflicts as well, but some still seem to struggle with this (eg : the drone + lego remark), and i have a feeling they are in for bad surprises very quickly if they don’t get the memo quickly