3BM60, for example, can only pen the turret via the breech front aspect – especially the SXXI version.
Even side-aspect it may struggle, but if it does penetrate, the result is one crew member and / or breech – rarely ever an ammo rack.
600mm+ is when it starts becoming squishy, but the cheeks only result in taking out the breech / one crew member instead of an ammo rack until you start penetrating ~620mm+
The 12.7 Abrams should go up and the Leo 2A7 / Strv 122s should go up to 13.0.
Maybe the Type 10 / TKX too.
The Leclercs would be fine at 12.3.
Problem is Gaijin modelled Leclerc’s armor so inaccurately and even then Leclerc somehow holds its own ground.
Absolutely not unless Abrams recieves fixes to its armor protection and recieve additional hull armor protection.
2A7V and STRV122 sits at another league compare to other top tier tanks.
If they correctly model the Leclercs it could probably stay at 12.7 but how it currently is, it isn’t particularly strong.
12.3 would make the most sense at the moment.
Abrams is the best all-rounder at the moment – even with the nerfed armour.
Type 10 and Merkava are also good contenders but the Type 10 has mediocre turret armour and gun handling, whereas the Merkava has poor gun depression, gun handling (albeit better than the Type 10’s), and overall armour.
The Abrams’ turret armour is enough to stop any round, though it’s not nearly as good as the Chally’s or Leopard 2’s.
The hull armour wouldn’t really make a big difference other than stopping weaker rounds.
The biggest problem the Abrams has with its armour is the turret ring being too weak, which allows maximum spalling for MBT APFSDS and autocannons to lol-pen it from any aspect.
If that gets fixed then I really don’t see how it can’t be with the 2A7s and 122s.
It’s more mobile than them, bigger first stage, and a 5s reload which is very useful in CQC.
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Thats why i said without getting those fixes it shouldnt sit at the same br where those tanks are.
What would you say would also be 12.7 if 13.0 existed?
For SEP variants 12.7 is perfectly fine in current states, M1A2/Click-Bait should be 12.3 tho.
I think SEPs are better than any 12.7 MBT other than the 2A7s and Strv 122s and possibly the TKX / Type 10s and Merkava Mk.4B / Ms.
The M1A2 / Clickbait are better than any 12.3 MBT too, though 2A6 / 2A5 are better hull-down and arguably on long-range maps, and the Merkava Mk.4B is a good contender to it too.
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Problem is M1A2/Click-Baits are worse than SEP models and they should not be at the same br in current enviroment.
Proper thing to do is increase top tier br to 13.3 and raise M1A2/Click-Baits br to 12.7.
Hence why 12.7 and 13.0 would make more sense.
Though the SEPs aren’t that much better than the M1A2 / Click-Bait as well.
The SEP V1 only gets a meaningless ERA package and Gen 2 thermals.
The only one where I could see being a lot better is the SEP V2 since it gets LWS and more smokes along with the Gen 2 thermals. These two are heavier than the M1A2 / M1A1 HC / Clickbait, though it’s not a huge difference either.
Maybe, though I really doubt the Leopard 2A7 / Strv 122B should or would be the only 13.3s in-game – especially how Gaijin balances things.
SEP family can also be 13.3 if they receive those fixes we talked about.
As for other tanks there is nothing we can do.
If the Arietes got this armor, I would get Certezza and RGO and grind the hell out of Italy, the last nation I am missing ingame.
It’s the poor state of the Arietes that are blocking me from doing this.
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You’ve basically answered your own question there.
You only think they’re tanky because ‘‘Grass is always greener on the other side’’. If you’d actually played Russia yourself you’d have noticed how often you get instantly one-tapped or crippled in a T-90M, T-80BVM, T-80U, etc.
Oh sweet summer child…
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At least the 11.7 Arietes aren’t nearly in as bad of a position as where they were before.
From being 0.3 lower to the 2A7 to comfortably being 1.0 BR different.
No turret basket yet (though it’s not like it really matters), getting DM53, and a 5s reload is also quite nice.
But it is still definitely not great unless they buff its armour.
BTW it seems like the Premium Ariete has more weight than the tech tree variant despite having the same armour layout (I’m saying this with both not having the WAR Kit add-on).
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Statcard bug. Me and a few friends did some testing and its just the statcard being outright wrong.
Though for a bit after release it was heavier than the 2A7 (weight listed on current statcard), with none of the armor, which was funny.
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May i ask few things since the update is life. What to start with…
Firstly, what the hell gaijing??? type 10 and tkx got only basket, there are NOT FCS or any other modules, only basket AND Leclercs at same time got all the modules (and they are really huge in comperison to leos, abrams tanks, and especially rusian). Double standarts or what? Or there is some logical explanation to this, if there is, then explain me…
Secondly, lets talk about few things connected with new modules for Leclercs. I tested this with my mate in the poligon, and holly cow, FCS on Leclercs can be machine gunned… Like, hell no, imagine the situation, you breached or just caught enemy on his mistake and you are sure that for few secons enemy cannot shoot you, you came closely to him to kill him AND enemy just machine gun you and you are without FCS and i know that you still can fire, but isn’t this stupid??? Like, where in the world this is balanced and okay??? I’m just curios and want to hear something that can help me to understand gaijings logic and how is this normal???
And, I will be honest, i really like Leclercs and really enjoed playing them but last month i stopped coz the top tier is simply unplayable at this point and it is almost impossible to play it (especialy if you play against russia…). But now… Top tier is even more broken with new russian SPAA, yeap, again russia and some overpowered stuff, and with this adittion to leclercs modules, which is actually absurd for me, it is literally unplayable… And, I’m upset with this, but I won’t play Leclercs at this point, HOPEFULLY, I will be able to play them in near future but I’m really sceptical about this…
Idk if we can do something, devs are simply incompetent at this point and this is sad…
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I’m in the same boat. At this point, I guess all I can do is pray to God…
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I don’t think it can actually help but try it out, I may try to pray to… Hopefully, atleast this can help XD
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What did you think was going to happen this update? Russia didnt have the absolute best top tier spaa since the multiple vehicle spaa were introduced…Obviously something had to be done…
Now you can watch one spaa intercept literally all your slow af unreliable ordinance, while still being the best option vs helis while being able to defend itself. Actually thats not even too bad considering mavericks, spikes and pars dont deal any meaningful damage 50% of the times they actually make it to target anyhow so…Unlucky tho that by easily intercepting all your stuff youre giving him sp to spawn mi28nm or even worse su30 that you can do nothing against if youre playing, lets say japan with one of the worst top tier spaa, the type 03…good luck hitting any heli, semi close range jet or ordinance with that thing. Unlucky that its just japan, other nations somehow can get good spaa if their other ones are “underperforming”
Poor Leclerc getting abused hard at top tier rn
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I don’t want to see this… I don’t want to see how my beauty is abused hardpy :(
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