Literally every single image you posted has ever so slightly more green on the abrams. Extremely small differences. You also cherry picked angles to try to prove it.
No it isn’t. Leclerc gets railgunned if it gets shot. I have bounced few enough shots to count them on my hands. The leclerc ammo rack also got shot out and destroyed 100% of my ammo when I did survive a turret shot. This means I have effectively died and need to J out unless I am camping a cap.
I can post more if you want.
This is just to present the case where you aren’t looking at them.
Against rounds with more than ~610mm, sure.
Though most tanks at 11.7 - 12.3 (let alone good tanks) don’t have that kind of firepower.
Typically it’s around ~560mm - ~580mm.
At 12.3 - 12.7, it’s closer to ~600mm / ~610mm.
No. It has the least armor of any top tier MBT tied with something awful like the Ariete. It is easily penetrated by even 10.7 tanks firing DM23
Bouncong shots in the leclerc is so rare I am always astounded when it does actually happen.
I’m not saying it should be 12.7.
It would be fine at 12.3 because of said armour not being that great.
The 12.0 Abrams should move up to 12.7.
But saying the 11.7 M1A1 has better turret armour / overall armour than the Leclercs (especially the SXXI) is pure cope.
You are guaranteed to be lol-penned in the M1A1 at 11.7 - 12.3, but it isn’t the case with the Leclercs.
You are guaranteed to be ammo-racked in the M1A1, but it isn’t the case with the Leclercs (unless you were shot through the breech).
If you want to start throwing insults then I’m more than happy to 1v1
In the CURRENT game? Or in this decompressed idea people have?
It’s equal at absolute worst.
You are also guaranteed to be railgunned in the leclerc as your own pictures show.
This is literally DM23:
If you get shot in the turret in the leclerc and don’t die, you have a very high chance of losing your entire ammo rack and thus 100% of your remaining ammo. You may not die, but you are effectively dead.
I didn’t insult you.
Assuming things get moved up to 13.0, such as the SEP V1, Type 10s, TKXs, Leopard 2A7s, and STRV-122s.
No? I’ve shown you already that you are less likely to be ammo-racked in the Leclerc, let alone get penetrated when you aren’t even looking at the enemy.
For the breech, I agree. But that is what I had already stated:
The ammo rack doesn’t get penetrated because of the blow-out panel:
So is it fine if I say that this take was idiotic?
You do understand that the M1A1 Abrams may have more well-rounded armour, but the Leclerc has ~580mm turret cheek armour?
Anybody knows anything about the new “HE F1” round? Appreciate
It’s a grey area if you say somebody’s TAKE is idiotic. I said the >ANGLE< was idiotic because it’s a 45 degree angle trying to show off how good armor is.
Yes… on the extreme edges.Not even on the main cheeks.
In this video I’ve sent, it’s not just a 45 degree angle. I’m saying that it offers more protection in most front - side aspects compared to the M1A1.
The M1A2 and Leopard 2A6 both have turret cheek armour that can’t be penned by any MBT in the game front-on (besides the 292), but I think we can both agree that the Leopard’s turret armour is better since it offers more protection from other aspects other than front-on.
I don’t think it’s idiotic when it’s very likely to have been shot to the turret from places where you haven’t been looking, especially when playing hull-down on open-field maps like Fields of Normandy and European Province.
That’s still more than what the M1A1 has to offer, and these ‘edge’ cheeks can stop ~580mm APFSDS from other aspects other than front-on.
You are not going to be ammo-racked in those cases either, unlike with the M1A1.
What a strange round, “F1 HE” is very general, 16,8kg mass indicates that this is may be the 120 EXPL F1, but muzzle velocity is of OE 120 F1 (yes, wikipedia is not a reliable source but still)
At least check the actual penetration results rather than showing a half baked analysis.
It’s an extreme example to begin with. If DM23 can penetrate that much of the tank, your own BR will not fail.
So the M1A1 must struggle even more.
After all, it doesn’t have ~580mm turret cheek armour to stop its ammo rack from detonating.
DM23 cannot even pass beyond optics and have you also considered that maybe just maybe protection analysis shows a result thats not even realistic in the first place?
That cheek under gunner optic provides more protection level than analysis shows, only best shells can penetrate AZUR’s and S2’s cheek while SXXI’s cheek is even more durable.
DM23 is also a poor round for 10.7. It was an extreme example. If I put even DM33, the results change drastically. DM53 pens 98% of the tank.
Even if you put DM33 it wouldnt change anything.
Like i said only top shells such as DM53, M829A2 and similiar shells can reliably pen that area while anything less than that struggles to penetrate reliably.
