You’re joking right? 😅
M829
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Why are you shooting a crappy shell that is even worse than the Type 90’s and TKX (P)'s 120mm DM33?
Shoot 3BM46, 3BM60, KE-W, L27A1, BTA4, or DTC10-125.
Those are more common at 11.7 - 12.3.
Because I chose a shell that shows the difference in armor? If I pick the shells that are actually at 12.7, they both get railgunned? You said the M1A1 had WORSE armor. Clearly, if it had WORSE armor, the above pictures would show the Leclerc bouncing the M829 in more locations than the Abrams? Hello? Logic?
Why do you think shooting a BETTER shell would somehow make the Leclerc not a full pen in every location?
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You mean the image where the Leclerc has worse armor? The same at best?
Hull armour, possibly (though we can both agree that they aren’t really useable).
Turret armour on the M1A1 is objectively worse.
No, it isn’t. They have the same armor on both hull and turret at absolute best. The abrams UFP might ricochet shots, the Leclerc is not capable of ricocheting shots.
Even if I was arguing for your sake and trying to prove your point, at best the leclerc’s armor is 2% better and you have to cherrypick idiotic angles to prove it. In reality and not fantasy world they have the same armor at best and the M1A1 has better armor in general.
2% better? 😂
So the M1A2s have only 5% better armour?
Also, the Leclercs are more survivable hull-down since most rounds at 11.7 - 12.3 can lol-pen the M1A1 and ammo rack it.
Let’s look at the turret armour and survivability in more detail:
Red = Ammo rack / crew wipe / engine + turret drive most likely to occur. (one shot / two shot kill inevitable)
Orange = Gunner + Commander out and maybe one module (other than the engine / breech) most likely to occur. (You most likely can retreat back into cover, though you will have a 10s reload)
Dark Yellow = Breech + maybe one crew member (You most likely can retreat back into cover and repair, you will still have a 5s reload)
Gold = Loader / Commander / Gunner + maybe one module (You most likely can shoot back)
Light Yellow = Module damage
Against ~570mm (pretty common penetration at around ~11.7 - 12.0):
Assuming the M1A1 is taking only ~23 rounds
Assuming the Leclerc S1 is taking only ~23 rounds too
And assuming the Leclerc SXXI is taking only ~23 rounds too
M1A1’s ammunition is also more likely to explode due to the way it is orientated compared to the Leclercs, and possibly even more compact:
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In this situation (where you may not be looking at the enemy), you will be ammo-racked with the M1A1, but only lose one crew member with the Leclerc (if it even pens the turret cheek).
Literally every single image you posted has ever so slightly more green on the abrams. Extremely small differences. You also cherry picked angles to try to prove it.
No it isn’t. Leclerc gets railgunned if it gets shot. I have bounced few enough shots to count them on my hands. The leclerc ammo rack also got shot out and destroyed 100% of my ammo when I did survive a turret shot. This means I have effectively died and need to J out unless I am camping a cap.
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I can post more if you want.
This is just to present the case where you aren’t looking at them.
Against rounds with more than ~610mm, sure.
Though most tanks at 11.7 - 12.3 (let alone good tanks) don’t have that kind of firepower.
Typically it’s around ~560mm - ~580mm.
At 12.3 - 12.7, it’s closer to ~600mm / ~610mm.
No. It has the least armor of any top tier MBT tied with something awful like the Ariete. It is easily penetrated by even 10.7 tanks firing DM23
Bouncong shots in the leclerc is so rare I am always astounded when it does actually happen.
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I’m not saying it should be 12.7.
It would be fine at 12.3 because of said armour not being that great.
The 12.0 Abrams should move up to 12.7.
But saying the 11.7 M1A1 has better turret armour / overall armour than the Leclercs (especially the SXXI) is pure cope.
You are guaranteed to be lol-penned in the M1A1 at 11.7 - 12.3, but it isn’t the case with the Leclercs.
You are guaranteed to be ammo-racked in the M1A1, but it isn’t the case with the Leclercs (unless you were shot through the breech).
If you want to start throwing insults then I’m more than happy to 1v1
In the CURRENT game? Or in this decompressed idea people have?
It’s equal at absolute worst.
You are also guaranteed to be railgunned in the leclerc as your own pictures show.
This is literally DM23:
If you get shot in the turret in the leclerc and don’t die, you have a very high chance of losing your entire ammo rack and thus 100% of your remaining ammo. You may not die, but you are effectively dead.
I didn’t insult you.
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