You say this as if the commander thermals are a huge bonus, when in reality, they’re a handy addition but most players rarely use them.
I tend to use the binoculars more than commander thermals as well and do well.
The gen 2 gunner thermals though is a substantial upgrade over gen 1 and that’s not a debatable fact.
Again throwing insults for no reason other than I disagree with you. You have a very fragile sense of pride it seems.
Done…
whats your point?
also done.
Just as a caveat, both on their strongest points cannot be penned on the “UFP” by HSTVL, however both also can be penned on the absolute upper frontal plate at the angle by the HSTVL.
You are seriously over estimating the 2A6
BY THE WAY
The Leopard 2A6 and A5 do not as far as the Xray show have a hull spall liner, so that argument was moot from the get go.
So, who now doesn’t know what they are talking about ?
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They are, if you don’t use them effectively it’s your problem.
Pixel hunting, that’s low even for you.
Have you consider camera and penetration angle? Ofc you didn’t.
They got spall liners on turret, another clueless claim.
Have you got anything besides strawmanning and empty claims?
You don’t.
No they didn’t.
MSC is performing better at 11.0 than 2A4NL is at 10.7.
That is to be expected considering it’s a better leo2A4.
It has worse mobility, thermals, reload with turret basket while getting a better shell, armor (although UFP armor is comedy against any semi-modern dart) and turret spall liners.
Maybe in your opinion.
Gen2 on the gunner > Gen2 on the commander
Guess which sight can be disabled by virtue of your crew getting knocked out one by one ?
Arguing vehicles that are neck and neck with 2A6 should be buffed drastically without increasing their BR is comedy that can only be seen on WT forum.
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I’d 100 percent gen 2 gunner thermals combined with binoculars.
Works better for clarity as thermals sometimes you can miss things.
You stated it can’t be done.
I proved otherwise.
Also it’s not pixel hunting, the M18 can generally go through the lower part of the breach on the leo2a5/6.
Yes I did hence why it’s done from tank barrel height.
You’re now moving the goalposts, I’d say that’s low for you but it’s not.
Turret roof.
As well as this i already stated that the 2A6 turret is better, so again, moot point.
Rich coming from the one ignoring clear statements like the 2A6 turret is better.
It’s a fact not an opinion,having commander thermal is always benefit.
Maybe in your opinion but gunner+commander thermal>gunner thermal only.
I can do the same thing with almost any other tank but this doesn’t change anything.
Pixel hunting is not practical by any means and 95 percent of the time I doesn’t change anything.
Your vertical camera angle is active, guess who’s lowering the argument.
While ignoring other features?
Yea I agree.
MSC and leopard 2NL did have very similar WR ratios at the same BR still (even if MSC was indeed a marginally better)
MSC in June : 56,6%
As of August : 56% with BR changes (also considering the usual decrease of BR as more people play this vehicle, thus reducing the overall skill set)
Leo 2NL on the other hand seems to oscillate at around 54.5-55%, but at introduction was at around 55.5% (reduce in WR probably similarly probably due to more people playing it as they unlocked it)
I don’t think this marginal difference warrants a complete BR step. But when you take the German stats in account, the tech tree has had a WR bellow 45.5% for the pas 6 months and the premium one stagnating at below 46%. This simply tells gaijin that the leopard is doing fine while the MSC is overperforming thus warranting the BR difference.
Personally, I would actually say that top tier should be decompressed and Leopard 2A4 should go up to at least 11.0, since it shits on most 9.7 tanks
I was focusing on the keyword huge in your sentence.
Maybe in a world where all thermals are the same generation.
Having gen2 thermals for the gunner is always better since you’ll have access to it throughout the duration of your play.
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I’m looking at their K/S and K/D.
Because it is.
Trying to spot enemy tanks with thermal sight is much better than doing with naked eyes.
Compare to having commander thermal it’s not.
Gen1 is enough to deal with enemy tanks while with Commander thermals you can spot them easily, unless you’re playing on very small screen which in this case commander thermals benefits you more than gunner thermal only.
Fair enough, we just weren’t talking about the same thing.
As I don’t know how to look at the graph of KD, KS, I usually don’t watch them too closely
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As I said, your opinion on the huge part.
Gen2 is a night and day difference.
You’re free to disagree.
Like yours.
Hence why having gen2 commander thermals with gunner thermal> gen 2 gunner thermal only.
Got anything else?
That’s why I’m using stats to compare two tanks, not personal opinions to gauge tanks as I seem fit.
Not really as you can lose that gen2 sight, unlike for the gunner.
If you get shot that’s your problem, this doesn’t change the fact that commander thermal+gunner thermal>gunner thermal only.
Not really smart to use personal opinions as facts.
Nothing indicates Leclercs perform worse than 2A6, so you have literally no ground to ask for buffs.
Like how you ignoring commander thermals benefits?
I agree.
Let’s call agree to disagree since this conversation going nowhere.
Have I ever mentioned any buffs? Try harder please.
Also fixing inaccurate things about vehicles is not asking for buffs, learn the difference.
