it should go up only if it receives SHARD
Or if all current top MBTs go up
currently it’s
Good :
- Gun handling
- Reload
- Mobility
Not good :
- Penetration
- Overall surivability
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2A6 is superior tank in almost every way.
Worse reload.
Worse mobility
Arguably as bad armour bar turret front.
DM53 out the L/55 is substantially better though.
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Similiar mobility
Much better turret and hull armor
Spall Liners
Much better penetration
Commander thermals
Much better gun mantlet
What were you saying again?
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Hull armour is the same as the 2a4 which is arguably worse than the Leclercs.
Already said this.
Stated this with DM53
Lower generation gunner thermals though
Much better how? 😂 the mantlet for both are massive weak points, in fact arguably worse on leopard as it’s so tall, allowing for it to be shot before even cresting a hill to fire.
2A6 has better hull armor than 2A4, learn the difference. Leclerc’s UFP can Be penetrated by HSTVL, try the same thing with 2A6
Lacking commander thermals is huge drawback.
Leclerc’s mantlet can be penetrated by M18’s APHE round.
You’re are clueless person who makes empty claims.
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So can a 2A6 mate ?
Hardly. The abrams without it does extemely well.
The Leopards only having Gen 1 thermals on gunner sights at top tier is a bigger drawback.
As can a 2a6? You’re acting like in game the mantlets aren’t all complete weakspots for every tank for balance.
Hardly, you’re just an angry little man who cannot handle when someone disagrees.
See i can say stupid stuff too.
Or remain civil and discuss stuff.
2A6 UFP is immune to HSTVL round, how clueless you are?
Try to penetrate 2A6 mantlet with M18, I dare you.
No I just can’t stand people who has no idea what they are talking about while acts like they know everything.
Learn how armor parameters works and differences between tanks then come back later.
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Imagine claiming having only better gunner thermal sight is better than having both gunner and commander thermal.
Lol,lmao even.
Anyway it seems I’m wasting my time with someone who has no idea what his talking about, no need to derail this thread anymore.
You say this as if the commander thermals are a huge bonus, when in reality, they’re a handy addition but most players rarely use them.
I tend to use the binoculars more than commander thermals as well and do well.
The gen 2 gunner thermals though is a substantial upgrade over gen 1 and that’s not a debatable fact.
Again throwing insults for no reason other than I disagree with you. You have a very fragile sense of pride it seems.
Done…
whats your point?
also done.
Just as a caveat, both on their strongest points cannot be penned on the “UFP” by HSTVL, however both also can be penned on the absolute upper frontal plate at the angle by the HSTVL.
You are seriously over estimating the 2A6
BY THE WAY
The Leopard 2A6 and A5 do not as far as the Xray show have a hull spall liner, so that argument was moot from the get go.
So, who now doesn’t know what they are talking about ?
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They are, if you don’t use them effectively it’s your problem.
Pixel hunting, that’s low even for you.
Have you consider camera and penetration angle? Ofc you didn’t.
They got spall liners on turret, another clueless claim.
Have you got anything besides strawmanning and empty claims?
You don’t.
No they didn’t.
MSC is performing better at 11.0 than 2A4NL is at 10.7.
That is to be expected considering it’s a better leo2A4.
It has worse mobility, thermals, reload with turret basket while getting a better shell, armor (although UFP armor is comedy against any semi-modern dart) and turret spall liners.
Maybe in your opinion.
Gen2 on the gunner > Gen2 on the commander
Guess which sight can be disabled by virtue of your crew getting knocked out one by one ?
Arguing vehicles that are neck and neck with 2A6 should be buffed drastically without increasing their BR is comedy that can only be seen on WT forum.
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I’d 100 percent gen 2 gunner thermals combined with binoculars.
Works better for clarity as thermals sometimes you can miss things.
You stated it can’t be done.
I proved otherwise.
Also it’s not pixel hunting, the M18 can generally go through the lower part of the breach on the leo2a5/6.
Yes I did hence why it’s done from tank barrel height.
You’re now moving the goalposts, I’d say that’s low for you but it’s not.
Turret roof.
As well as this i already stated that the 2A6 turret is better, so again, moot point.
Rich coming from the one ignoring clear statements like the 2A6 turret is better.
It’s a fact not an opinion,having commander thermal is always benefit.
Maybe in your opinion but gunner+commander thermal>gunner thermal only.
I can do the same thing with almost any other tank but this doesn’t change anything.
Pixel hunting is not practical by any means and 95 percent of the time I doesn’t change anything.
Your vertical camera angle is active, guess who’s lowering the argument.
While ignoring other features?
Yea I agree.
MSC and leopard 2NL did have very similar WR ratios at the same BR still (even if MSC was indeed a marginally better)
MSC in June : 56,6%
As of August : 56% with BR changes (also considering the usual decrease of BR as more people play this vehicle, thus reducing the overall skill set)
Leo 2NL on the other hand seems to oscillate at around 54.5-55%, but at introduction was at around 55.5% (reduce in WR probably similarly probably due to more people playing it as they unlocked it)
I don’t think this marginal difference warrants a complete BR step. But when you take the German stats in account, the tech tree has had a WR bellow 45.5% for the pas 6 months and the premium one stagnating at below 46%. This simply tells gaijin that the leopard is doing fine while the MSC is overperforming thus warranting the BR difference.
Personally, I would actually say that top tier should be decompressed and Leopard 2A4 should go up to at least 11.0, since it shits on most 9.7 tanks
I was focusing on the keyword huge in your sentence.
Maybe in a world where all thermals are the same generation.
Having gen2 thermals for the gunner is always better since you’ll have access to it throughout the duration of your play.
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I’m looking at their K/S and K/D.