Even if armor can’t improve all that much, it should still do to whichever degree it could;
But above all, what Leclerc should get, is mobility improvements, just like Type 10.
Leclerc and Type 10 should accelerate SIGNIFICANTLY faster than they do now. If they are to be glass canons, at least they should have the uncontested mobility advantage they have in real life to make up for the weaker protection.
They do. All tanks accelerate too fast in WT, what should happen is that these tanks should keep their speed better when already moving.
Leclerc currently does 0 - 31kph in about 3.2 - 3.5 seconds (don’t remember exactly), everything from irl states it should be taking 5 to 6 seconds depending on the variant on the other hand.
uncontested mobility advantage they have in real life to make up for the weaker protection.
You are aware most other MBTs are AT worst 1 second slower to hit the same speeds, right? In fact some vastly heavier vehicles accelerate just as well (fx Leopard 2A7V takes about 5 to 6 seconds irl to hit 32kph, and the 2A8 will likely take slightly less due to having 150hp more bless the new powerpack).
Asking for fixes is fine, asking for fixes that are unreasonable and frankly unrealistic isn’t.
Type 10 tho i think is the only one that needs slight acceleration improvements as it doesn’t have to deal with power loss during gear shifts as the CV transmission just doesn’t experience them.
Not proportionally.
If every tank accelerate too fast, then EVERY tank is accelerating too fast proportioanlly and equally as much.
What I mean is- Type 10 and Leclerc should accelerate comparatively faster than the rest.
Type 10 accelerating faster is meaningless when every other tank accelerates faster too. It negates the advantage effect it should have.
For example, Type 10 accelerates twice as fast compared to Type 90 in real life; yet it accelerates slower than Type 90 ingame.
Therefore, Type 10 should accelerate even faster so it has the faster acceleration in relation/proportion.
And you know what it will accelerate faster than if they ever this? Than T-series and ZTZ’s, and the CR2 (it already accelerates faster than it tho massively so this one doesn’t matter), won’t change anything for the rest.
I think it’s quite simple;
In real life, Type 10 and Leclerc accelerate faster than everyone else; therefore, so they should ingame.
Whether that implies them accelerating even faster on the already faster baseline or not is meaningless to me; it’s about the relative, comparative performance, not about a global parameter that impacts everyone simultaneously therefore negating the relative differences that should be there.
Type 10 and Leclercs’ whole points is to sacrifice protection for mobility, yet, at the present time, their mobility hardly compensates for their lack of protection.
Exhibit A;
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/14jlxpu/as_you_can_see_here_type_10_has_significantly/
You forgot to mention that the leclerc that was sent to the trials was a pre production
Also the UAE tested the production leclerc
They DO THAT when compared to what they’d face in real life lmao i.e Russian and Chinese MBTs. Arguing they need mobility buffs because their western equivalents are about the same in terms of mobility is asinine.
They’re both already more mobile than pretty much every single T-series (BVM is an odd one out), and the Leclerc isn’t exactly special in terms of acceleration among Western MBTs when it has about the same level of acceleration IRL as do Leopard 2s, with the heavier ones being slightly slower (and they are in WT too, or at least were when i tested them a year ago) so can ya stop this farce tbh.
Type 10 can stay as is, its acceleration performance is pretty on spot with some minute inaccuracies, what needs to be done is every other MBT needs to actually be nerfed to their real life levels of acceleration (would also make matches slower and more tactical btw), and this btw includes the Leclerc and the Type 90, both of which are a subject to this idiotic buff that Gaijin has just let be.
Okay, and?
A pre-production vehicle means it has already finished development you are aware of this, yes? Anything that happens after that is polishing any remaining teething issues, not major armor re-designs.
Type 10 should accelerate twice as fast compared to Type 90; yet Type 90 is accelerating faster ingame. It’s the exact other way around!
Not to mention the steering bug that does not allow it to turn remotely smoothly or without losing all of its energy and speed.
I think transmissions and powerplants should just generally be depicted more accurately, including;
1- Regenerative Steering (all)
2- CVTs (Type 10s)
3- Hyperbars (Leclercs)
4- Whatever Leopard 2A7s have that makes them accelerate faster as a trade off for their slower top speed.
All of that ALONGSIDE with sensible and realistic baseline acceleration parameter values, as you said.
The final outcome would be, more or less; Type 10s, Leclercs and Leopard 2A7s accelerate pretty much as they do now, maybe slightly better; while the rest of the MBTs would accelerate slower.
Yeah that’s taken out of context.
The rest of your post I agree with.
Yet the UAE trials demonstrate the level of protection is much better compared to the swedish trial the main reason is because of the change of composite material in the turret since the pre production leclerc that was sent to the trials only had layers steel and aluminum as composite armor for the turret which gives you around the same level of protection as the early leo 2
Production model like the s1 s2 and s21 have a much more advanced armor composition maybe not at the same level as a leo 2a6 or an m1a2 but its able to withstand an apfsds round demonstrated by the UAE trials
Source?
withstand an apfsds round demonstrated by the UAE trials
What round
What distance
What atmospheric conditions
Which part of the armor
Thanks
What? Are you stating the armor of a tank that was a prototype? It is literally explicit that it was a very raw version
It is literally explicit that it was a very raw version, both in the Swedish and Greek tests.
Leclerc only became operational in November 1998
And we have photos of the Leclerc prototype’s composite receiving the impact of the OFL F1 which already penetrated 600mm
Hello everyone, I’m new on this topic and I wanted to know if anyone did calculus for the upper front plate of the Leclerc (the topic is so long I might have missed it) because I think there is something wrong with its penetration value in game.
I was considering on comparing it to the Abrams which only use RHA for its upper front plate (I don’t know how Gaijin implemented NERA as armor thickness so I cannot use it for comparison measure). If so I will be analysing the upper front plate of the Leclerc without the NERA value (25 mm plate + 40mm plate).
And that’s taken out of context. The vehicle was not considered mature due to mechanical failures, i.e teething issues, not due to its armor.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a prototype either, but its armor had not changed since the requirements set up by the French Army back in 1988, why would they have changed after the 1994 trials? Wishes of French mains from 30 years into the future?
And we have photos of the Leclerc prototype’s composite receiving the impact of the OFL F1 which already penetrated 600mm
And this is said where in the image?
OFL F1 doesn’t even perforate anywhere close to 600mm at the angles we see in it, seeing as the actual rod is around 560mm… did Rheinmetall and GIAT break physics? As far as I know no APFSDS is capable of perforating over its own physical penetrator length at flat angles, not even the M829A4, much less a much older and vastly inferior OFL F1/DM43.
It doesn’t mention the simulated range either so that’s a worthless metric and you just assume a best case scenario.
On top of which the backplate bulged so lmao, it was near failure.
That comparison won’t yield you much as Lekek’s upper plate isn’t a subject to APFSDS-shatter mechanic that Abrams’ UFP is.
The reason why the protection is so low is due to Gaijin’s arbitrary decision to just underball the KE modifier btw, many tried to get it corrected and Gaijin simply isn’t budging.
The armor penetration value of APFSDS rounds doesn’t seem to be changing from different angles of attack. If this is the KE modifier you are talking about, it is weird why they implemented it as stats that are irrelevant in live matches.
From what i know the round dimensions is 26 x 600mm dm43 and F1 use a different propellent and are fired from different calibers (L44 vs high pressure L52) the f1 will essentially have more penetration purely because the round hits the target at higher velocities
From a source that i looked at a year ago the penetration of F1 was 600 mm at 2000 m am not sure of the angle of impact but i think it was 30 degrees or more i dont really remember i would need to find it again
