Here we can see the SXXI without its turret side protection
Source no.1 just corroborates my words.
no.2 is nonsense and simply estimates, same with 3, 4 is just a pic of a model made by a user of the old WT forum (Laviduce), “protection against 125mm” doesn’t mean anything without details on ammunition, the last one is just “hon hon look at our technology hon hon” when the Germans and Americans achieved much higher armor levels, and the German one has a higher level of distribution on top of that as it has actual composite installed into its sides and not just side skirts like everybody else lol
You just threw whatever at me and hoped it sticks didn’t you lmao.
It doesn’t. That’s un-official, the actual penetrator is 565x22mm…
From a source that i looked at a year ago the penetration of F1 was 600 mm at 2000 m am not sure of the angle of impact but i think it was 30 degrees or more i dont really remember i would need to find it again
It was 60 degrees.
Nothing there says it was OFL F1 that was fired at that composite block, it literally just says the center hole was left by an APFSDS and the 2 side holes were left by shaped charge munitions.
Yes, “prototype being improved” in case you don’t read
lol? literally a statement by the French defense minister and a Russian military enthusiast
What are the correct estimates? Just yours, since you haven’t sent any sources yet
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No, they didn’t say it was going TO BE improved, just that it needs improvements to meet UK’s requirements of 500mm KE at +/- 20 degrees.
In another document they straight up say the French Army is not chaging their requirements just to accomodate British needs:
You’re only posting evidence that fits your narrative.
lol? literally a statement by the French defense minister and a Russian military enthusiast
Vague statement + personal estimates, cool, so a nothing burger.
What are the correct estimates? Just yours, since you haven’t sent any sources yet
I’m Polish lmao, the NTW page straight up says:
“As evidence of armor’s capability, the French showed a photo of the hull’s armor module after it had been shot at with APFSDS (such as, for example: OFL F1, which can defeat up to 560mm of steel at a vertical angle)” which it can yes, under EXTREMELY favorable conditions from a POINT BLANK range (you can use L-O to estimate that). They don’t actually say that amunition was used, what conditions, etc, the Germans on the other hand provided the Greeks with an actual test vehicle and allowed them to pummel it with the best German munition of the time, the DM53, and it was stopping it, a projectile that’s superior to the OLF F1 and F2 (the stats for the F2 are at 60 degrees fun fact in that snipet…).
On the other hand, from actual Greek statements in regards to the trial we know the Leclerc only fares as good as the Challenger 2 and we have ACTUAL armor values for it, and they’re nowhere near what the Leopard 2 achieves/d (seeing as according to W-VK documents originating from Krauss Maffei themselves the prototype of the Leopard 2A5 had achieved a protection level of 650mm RHAe against KE in a 60 degree arc IN 1989 when the French were aiming 430mm RHAe KE across a much smaller arc), then there’s the fact the M1A2 SEP also exceeded those levels massively, reaching AT LEAST 650mm RHAe KE as well.
Tbh the only buff we could get rn is the armor for the s21 since its the only one that did get up armor
Russia only got carried by the very good CAS options they had for the last few updates and people shitting their pants as soon as they saw S1 on RWR.
If those are to be believed, it seems SXXI is missing a little bit of armor on its left cheek
In addition to the armor overhaul compared to S2 litterally doing nothing of course
The S2 should also feature an extra layer on the both cheeks (currently it’s a copy paste turret armor compared to the S1) while the s21 is thicker than the S2 itself. Actually, even the S1 in game, considering it’s an in French service vehicle, should have the same armor as S1OP got the S2 armor upgrades
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Russian shells indeed have very wrong angle pen values. Gaijin thinks they have more pen because they’re flat nosed, but at 55 and more degrees they must behave like every AP and APC shell, they only must have additional 40-50 degree penetration bonus compared to sharp-nosed shells. They also have absurdly high limit for ricochet (73 vs 71 for APC and cuh 65 for AP, those are all unrealistic tho)
Played a couple of games again with my Leclerc and I am livid. Give it a lower BR or something, litteraly got nothing for it.
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One of the most annoying thing for me about Leclercs in general is their manoeuverability. I don’t know why but they behave like boats in game and I don’t think this is even accurate since its mobility is supposed to be one of its main strength. I hope this can be buffed or that it will change in the future because it is one of the most important factor for me.
Hope I am not alone in this situation.
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they accelerate all right, it’s more a matter of almost all other MBTs overperforming in that area
It loses a lot of speed while turning also, which is quite annoying
On a completely unrelated note :
XLR could now be added to the game as it’s officialy in service. Ideally it could get the shard when the order for these shells arrives.
Compared to Azure, it would at least be based on SXXI (so a bit more frontal armor on the turret) and to the naked eye the add on side armor package seems fairly thicker, although i can’t confirm.
Is there any info on those add-on package laying around ?
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Leclerc also overperforms in terms of acceleration…
The Leclerc does over perform a bit in acceleration. But, along the leopard 2 and M1, they don’t overperform nearly as much as other vehicles. The chart below was created a while ago
If the Leclerc, léopard and M1 over performed as much as the t80u, they could do 0-40kph in 2s in realistic, which basically no tanks can do even in arcade battles
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unlike the 2s38 that got added before it even got accepted into service, the leclerc is french so give it atleast 2 more years until it’s added, and since it’s a new version of the leclerc gaijin will happily give us 1mm of added protection on the upper turret, but since protection takes weight it’s gonna have a reduced max speed of 40kmh, 1994 version of the ofl f1 still included as top dart ofc
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Yeah i know, i helped in the making of that chart after all lol
If the Leclerc, léopard and M1 over performed as much as the t80u, they could do 0-40kph in 2s in realistic, which basically no tanks can do even in arcade battles
That’s why I said earlier in the thread the biggest difference after fixing will be between T-series and the Leclerc, most others would stay mostly similar in terms of comparative acceleration to the Leclerc… of course, aside from the Fatty 2.
Pretty much exactly shows transmission efficiency here,
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Well if EBRC Jaguar is anything to go by, i’m afraid you are quite right X)
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