Can we please remain on topic here and avoid pointless bickering???
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In case this will go deeper, there is no need to insult (or to prepare doing so). The model is real and official, made by KNDS. I’m afraid thats just how it is irl, nothing can be changed (unless there is an update which does change it in the future)
It is on topic. OP talks about ways to buff the Leclerc, one of them being armour, and to send reliable info that is for/against that armour should be allowed, always was allowed for such threads
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Can’t type you name to @ you so replying to your last message.
I see the 3D model of the tank in KNDS website, but I don’t find the internals. You show the armor thickness at one point with a 2D slice of the front armor, where does that come from ?
Because it would actually be pretty useful to get the UFP to be significantly buffed.
It does correlate quite well to the estimations we initially had about the hull armor but had never found sufficient sources to report it
You import the model into blender, cut off the sides and go into a 2D projection. Internals are removed outside of the comp shape.
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I’m on my phone I don’t get a big list, and his name isn’t on the few I have
I am also on my Phone, and get the list :)))))))
Yeah his name hush doesn’t appear on the list I get shown
Interesting. I’ll try to have a look then, thanks
One includes the roadwheels as a reference for measurements, the other does not. Yet on both, you can quite clearly trace the entire path of the composite armour and upper front plate. It looks rather bleak however way you look at it.
Bruh I’ve been pinged like 3 times now from 2 people trading insults and bringing up the 100 year war lmao
I get the original discussion between the 2 was on topic but the resulting (albiet hilarious) bickering 100% wasn’t.
I apologize for any confusion but that’s what I was referring to.
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Why isn’t it useful? Isn’t it accurate? Or it doesn’t give any new information?
It’s gutted.
Because it would actually be pretty useful to get the UFP to be significantly buffed.
Overall it’s a useful thing to have if you’re trying to get the Leclerc’s hull completely remodeled to be honest;
Afaik it’s currently about ~650mm+ thick on the beak, no? It should be 580mm instead, while the upper plate is less than 600mm in WT in terms of physical thickness iirc. Generally however, it’s a bleak prospect, and puts the amount of protection the Leclerc has in WT into question, a very big one. Cus to this day nobody really knows where Gaijin’s got the protection levels from.
Either the conversion ducks things up or as well things deliberatly have been removed out of security reasons like the internal wedges etc.
As a result it doesnt bring any useful information, besides looking pretty from further away
Yea this, the old schematics of armor cavities are currently more information rich than the 3D render from KNDS for the Leo 2.
I speculate what we’ve got now is what they have deemed to be safe enough to be released, either because it’s already been seen (for example, we’ve seen how the armor cavity of Leclerc’s hull looks like already back in 1993 - 94 in Sweden), or because it’s not that important.
So the reason why Leo 2 is almost completely gutted is simply because it’s stuff that shouldn’t be seen.
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Weirdly enough, I do not ever see British mains complaining about the Frogs’ tanks. Usually I have seen the Brits take pity on French tanks since Solid Shot galore and random nerfs to their tanks simply to appease the American-German mains that are sad their armour actually got penned.
I believe the only time I have seen complaints are towards the Rafale, but that’s just because Typhoon got hit with every single nerf while the Rafale gets buffs for the weirdest things.
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The value in the armor view gives 40 mm of steel +500mm of NERA + 25mm of steel again, which gives a total of 565mm. When measuring the front plate on KNDS model at a right angle it gives roughly the same length.
The main issue with Leclerc isn’t really the armor though, but the lack of firepower and the comparatively slow acceleration compared to its peers, despite being lighter (say hello to gaijin gears lol)
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cant talk about the armor not knowledgeable about that part but
that literaly doesnt have a solution, the uranium round has minimal more penetration then the current one
the shard you guys are asking for all the time, its now only getting verified for actual use, it isnt even finished yet the whole time. Not to mention france didnt even order SHARD themself, its meaned as an export round. And still around or worse then DM53 performance. Which will likely get completly outclassed by the DM83 that is in its last steps already as well
Firepower wise the leclerc is just bad
Those numbers are pretty irrelevant tbh as they don’t account for air gaps in the NERA (they don’t need to either tbh, but it still means Gaijin is pretty much just not telling you the whole story).
Pixel measuring gives a total LoS thickness of 695mm on the beak, compared to the 700mm wheel.
For example, Gaijin claims Leo 2s glacis is 35 + 45 + 520, or 600mm totes, the actual module is 690mm instead in WT.
Another example… le Abroomz, 493mm of physical armor but the cavity is about 700mm.
Basically, Leclerc’s hull composite module should be cut down to 400mm instead for it to be more or less accurate.
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INTERESTINGLY, i’m getting just 500mm LoS for the upper plate in WT, so it’s missing 130mm of physical armor.
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