I am also on my Phone, and get the list :)))))))
Yeah his name hush doesn’t appear on the list I get shown
Interesting. I’ll try to have a look then, thanks
One includes the roadwheels as a reference for measurements, the other does not. Yet on both, you can quite clearly trace the entire path of the composite armour and upper front plate. It looks rather bleak however way you look at it.
Bruh I’ve been pinged like 3 times now from 2 people trading insults and bringing up the 100 year war lmao
I get the original discussion between the 2 was on topic but the resulting (albiet hilarious) bickering 100% wasn’t.
I apologize for any confusion but that’s what I was referring to.
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Why isn’t it useful? Isn’t it accurate? Or it doesn’t give any new information?
It’s gutted.
Because it would actually be pretty useful to get the UFP to be significantly buffed.
Overall it’s a useful thing to have if you’re trying to get the Leclerc’s hull completely remodeled to be honest;
Afaik it’s currently about ~650mm+ thick on the beak, no? It should be 580mm instead, while the upper plate is less than 600mm in WT in terms of physical thickness iirc. Generally however, it’s a bleak prospect, and puts the amount of protection the Leclerc has in WT into question, a very big one. Cus to this day nobody really knows where Gaijin’s got the protection levels from.
Either the conversion ducks things up or as well things deliberatly have been removed out of security reasons like the internal wedges etc.
As a result it doesnt bring any useful information, besides looking pretty from further away
Yea this, the old schematics of armor cavities are currently more information rich than the 3D render from KNDS for the Leo 2.
I speculate what we’ve got now is what they have deemed to be safe enough to be released, either because it’s already been seen (for example, we’ve seen how the armor cavity of Leclerc’s hull looks like already back in 1993 - 94 in Sweden), or because it’s not that important.
So the reason why Leo 2 is almost completely gutted is simply because it’s stuff that shouldn’t be seen.
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Weirdly enough, I do not ever see British mains complaining about the Frogs’ tanks. Usually I have seen the Brits take pity on French tanks since Solid Shot galore and random nerfs to their tanks simply to appease the American-German mains that are sad their armour actually got penned.
I believe the only time I have seen complaints are towards the Rafale, but that’s just because Typhoon got hit with every single nerf while the Rafale gets buffs for the weirdest things.
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The value in the armor view gives 40 mm of steel +500mm of NERA + 25mm of steel again, which gives a total of 565mm. When measuring the front plate on KNDS model at a right angle it gives roughly the same length.
The main issue with Leclerc isn’t really the armor though, but the lack of firepower and the comparatively slow acceleration compared to its peers, despite being lighter (say hello to gaijin gears lol)
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cant talk about the armor not knowledgeable about that part but
that literaly doesnt have a solution, the uranium round has minimal more penetration then the current one
the shard you guys are asking for all the time, its now only getting verified for actual use, it isnt even finished yet the whole time. Not to mention france didnt even order SHARD themself, its meaned as an export round. And still around or worse then DM53 performance. Which will likely get completly outclassed by the DM83 that is in its last steps already as well
Firepower wise the leclerc is just bad
Those numbers are pretty irrelevant tbh as they don’t account for air gaps in the NERA (they don’t need to either tbh, but it still means Gaijin is pretty much just not telling you the whole story).
Pixel measuring gives a total LoS thickness of 695mm on the beak, compared to the 700mm wheel.
For example, Gaijin claims Leo 2s glacis is 35 + 45 + 520, or 600mm totes, the actual module is 690mm instead in WT.
Another example… le Abroomz, 493mm of physical armor but the cavity is about 700mm.
Basically, Leclerc’s hull composite module should be cut down to 400mm instead for it to be more or less accurate.
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INTERESTINGLY, i’m getting just 500mm LoS for the upper plate in WT, so it’s missing 130mm of physical armor.
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That’s not exactly how a contract in the defense sector works, but i will concede the round was qualified just recently
This whole paragraph would be true, if and only if the OFL 120 F1B+ didn’t exist, which was some upgrade over the ecisting F1 round. What was the increase of performance between the 2 is unknown unfortunately. As for the 15% increase of Shard, the base round which it’s compared to is never mentioned. Assuming that is the F1B+ (would make the most sense since it’s the most recent one currently in use), it would then be difficult to estimate its penetration since the pen of that round is still unknown.
The existing firepower isn’t bad i’d say, it could just be buffed a bit.
I thought you were some kind of Leclerc expert?
From now on, please refrain from talking about vehicles you cannot even bother to take 5 minutes to check the values in-game.
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OFL 120 F1B+ is still the exact same penetrator as the OLF 120 F1 though, so whatever improvement they’ve managed to get out of it would be comparable to the difference between maybe DM63 & DM73, i.e 2 - 3%.
From now on, please refrain from talking about vehicles you cannot even bother to take 5 minutes to check the values in-game.
You are aware I am not talking about the protection here, right? I’m talking about the armor modules and how they’re modeled. Cus it feels like you’ve joined the convo without even bothering to read through it in the slightest.
isn’t that volumetric shenanigans though ? for example :
Almost the same area (especially between 1st and 3rd picture) and still a whoping 150mm difference for no apparent reason
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Again, I am NOT talking about protection. I’m talking ABOUT THE ARMOR MODULES and how they’re modeled by Gaijin.
edit: basically this is what I am talking about for the people who think I’m talking about KE protection instead:
In red are the current values for the Line of Sight thickness of Leclerc’s armor modules, wheel is for reference, in green are how they should be.
Coming across sources for this round is very hard usually. Not implying that what you say is wrong, but do you have anything to back that one up ?