Of those 16, only 4 were against the target located at 2,000m. The other 12 rounds were at considerably less distance.
Except that M865 is stated to have a target range of 2,500m:
The 4 rounds which hit the target at 2,000m within 60cm are considered to be the extreme. I should rephrase what I stated in the bug report: the spread should be considered up to 60cm.
This is a fair point considering 128° F falls outside the temperature limits. In this case, I’ll leave it up to the devs to make a decision.
I found a source from Jenoptik stating =/< 0.2mrad for the stabiliser. But I would prefer to avoid marketing material where possible since it’s usually still under-stating performance. Even a secondary source stating under “x” conditions, the accuracy is “y” cm would be preferable if the author is reliable enough.
Challenger 2 used a different cannon. Oh well, I suspect the British mains are gate-keeping the info much like the CR2’s real armour… but what can you do?
It still hadn’t entered service. And its results in the trials were pretty underwhelming at the end of the day. Which is why I was curious if the British mains were willing to share.
Quite frankly, no, this is a completely made up interpretation by you. The document states that they shot three rounds each (800m, 1200m and 2000m) at 18 targets.
So it was actually 18 * 3 for a total of 54 rounds, with 18 of them at 2km’s.
2 targets were however, completely missed, we don’t know the reason for that, so it’s 48 rounds that did hit within 0.3x0.3 mrad aim point.
Shame, I was looking forward to perhaps our own version of the “supercruise” debate where we distort the meaning of English words to fit our own agenda
Some trials had higher dispersion, but for the most part they seemed to achieve in the region of 0.25 mils standard deviation:
I don’t have any data for Challenger 2, but presumably with the improved FCS and the L30 gun (plus more modern ammo) it would be at least the same or better.
Just curious to see how other tanks would compare. Fun fact: earlier versions of the Leopard 2 (up until the 2A5) and M1 Abrams (up until the SEP) had a fire control which was comparable to the AMX 30 B2:
“The B2 version distinguished itself thanks to its 105mm Mle F1 canon capable of firing APFSDS rounds (OFL) with a muzzle velocity of 1525 m/s, its COTAC automatic fire control that gave it a first-hit hit rate of 90% and its Castor thermal all-weather and day/night camera. So equipped, the AMX 30 was a fearsome predator, even though the anglophone press considered it obsolete in comparison to new NATO MBTs such as the Leopard 2 or the M1. It was not untrue in terms of protection, but in terms of firing accuracy, it was on a par with the MBTs of the major Allied countries during firing exercises, and there, the Allied - but not necessarily friendly press - kept hidden the performances of the AMX 30 B2.”
Incredible video presented by Colonel Le Jariel, who talks about the Leclerc and the Jaguar. A pure pleasure to listen to this Colonel. (You can add the automatically generated subtitles in the video settings)
This is not what could be called “integrated”, since we can clearly see (and from pictures as well) that it’s bolted onto the armor… so not even close to being integrated…
