I’m inclined to agree with the Cime Bocuze chart as that specifically relates to French alloys. Obviously, it isn’t the most clear, but it generally shows a convergence around 2000m/s.
As for OFL 120 F2, it could have different penetrator dimensions but there’s no clear evidence of this. From what I remember, the OFL 120 F2 penetrator weighs 4.3kg. A 0.3kg difference can be justified by the switch from tungsten to DU.
The composite arrays are bound together using kevlar. This could marginally mitigate overall spall; however, there are no spall liners at the end of the day.
To each their own.
As for OFL 120 F2, it could have different penetrator dimensions but there’s no clear evidence of this. From what I remember, the OFL 120 F2 penetrator weighs 4.3kg. A 0.3kg difference can be justified by the switch from tungsten to DU.
You sure of this? Most sources that I have seen indicate a weight of at least ~4.5kg
Simply switching the material from WHA to DU increases the weight from 3.99kg to ‘just’ 4.24kg, a far cry from the cited weight.
Weren’t you the guy that was saying whatever the manufacturer said should be trusted on the German thread?
Do the French not get that luxury
What?
Looking back at my sources, it is indeed 4.5kg. Ah well, we’ll surely know the exact penetrator dimensions in 50 years.
Love hate relationship with the 50 years of secrecy, great irl but noooot so much for war thunder :/
I’ll have my sources on Magic 2 launcher rails being backwards compatible with sidewinders in 48 years haha
Tfw when the AMX 30s armour is still classified even though everyone knows it’s just RHA:
you probably need to raise a new report for 700mm CE protection of BRENUS ERA claim.
Eh, it all falls under the category of BRENUS underperforming. Perhaps when the devs actually get off their asses and look at the issue, I shall make a separate report if it becomes necessary.
it depends like from 600 - 650 mm on 2.5 km but gaijin still dont give a sh*t. they likely to do buff to other nations axcept france. They can notice how loader managing round on abrams for 5 s, but they a’nt notice the fact that heres no actual video how they do it while moving.
Remember same goes for autoloaders as well.
Gaijin models every loading system with optimal conditions, this includes stationary position.
Last but not least Fire Rate is a soft balancing method.
Yeah, funny how American documents show that up to 25km/h the reload is only around 5.3s for the 105mm. For the 120mm, it would be closer to 7 seconds in terms of sustained reload (which is what is supposed to be considered). And then when tanks like the Vextra 105 or the AMX 40 actually have loader assistance Gaijin says “nuh uh take the slowest reload we can offer”.
The whole point of the Leclerc autoloader was to be able to maintain a 5 second reload irrespective of movement. 99% of sources agree upon of this.
Never mentioned about Leclerc in case you didnt noticed, you also forgetting barrel must be aligned with loading mechanism which actually reduces the fire rate for almost every tank on move.
I’d say current reload times for all tanks are pretty much balanced, Leclerc family needs buff on other areas instead of fire rate (such as armor, better Shell,proper mobility etc).
You referred to autoloaders in general. Seeing as it is a Leclerc thread, I assumed you were also talking about the Leclerc. Yes, the breech does need to align with the autoloader but this is at a most tenths of a second process.
Eh, the reason the Abrams has an ahistorical reload is to align with the faster RoFs of autoloaders and the CR2. Personally, I don’t think reload should be a ‘balance factor’. Autoloaders (especially fast ones) are overall better than a manual loader IRL (ignoring logistics) - this should be represented as such in a historical manner in-game.
I wouldnt call this ahistorical considering there are countless footages that shows experienced Abrams/Leopard loader can load new shell in 3 seconds consistently.
More likely i was reffering that every tank needs to do that and therefore if this process get model in this game some Tanks will get hurt from it.
Well me neither but Gaijin doesnt shares the same opinion with us.
Many things doesnt get real life representments, considering we got our historical ROF for our Leclerc’s i’d say thats one less thing to worry about.
Unfortunately, keeping in line with the “realism” side of things, I don’t see much Gaijin can do to jack up the Leclerc. It has its game-specific design flaws, no doubt, but this is more a matter of France improving it IRL. This situation is starting to feel like the Ariete’s TBH.
I don’t know about “consistently”. There’s an American document I’ll attach later. It states that up to a speed of 25km/h, the sustained reload was about 5.3 seconds. But no one really knows at what speed the devs take into account sustained reload (if at all). But it could be an interesting (if not controversial) feature if the Abrams could reload within 3 seconds for 3-4 rounds while stationary then revert to 8rds/min when mobile…