It’s kinda cute to see some people still with hopes that Gaijin will ever do anything to fix the absolute mess the Leclercs and Merkavas are lmao
At this point I think you could hand them a document by Nexter signed by Macron with specific KE values and they would just leave it at “acknowledged” at most.
Gaijin “guestimates” when it comes to the USSR : Alright so Putin, while drunk, jokingly said the T-80BVM’s ERA is able to stop an intercontinental ballistic missile so it must be true
Gaijin “guestimates” when it comes to France : 20 documents of which 5 primary source as well as statements directly from the engineers that worked on the Leclerc ? Nah bro, we can’t trust those pesky capitalist pigs. Let’s give it the AMX-30’s armor level
It’s not like there is 30 years separating the AMX-30 from the Leclerc …
Guesstimations using common sense for NATO tanks? Unacceptable!
Best to model the 2024 Leopard 2A7V/HU after the Swedish Trials 1990s pre-2A5 prototype, and Leclercs after the (again) Swedish Trials 52 ton unfinished Leclerc prototype, too!
AND NOT EVEN PROPERLY! (2A7V/HU have worse turret armor than 2A5… or the TVM prototype they are modelled after, at that, lmao)
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Thx!
Yeah, the plate that’s visually there in the X-Ray isn’t activated on the damage model.
A bug that requires no historical documents to fix cause it’s a bug exclusively internal with the game itself.
Right now, only the steel plates are modeled for the armor.
65mm of steel x 1.1 multiplier = 71.5 / cos 77 = 317.895mm of effective armor just from the steel.
If the internal plate was active on the damage model, it’d be over 500mm of protection in its current state.
Not at all. You’re completely missing the point.
This is not a technical issue. This is an historical issue. Gaijin models the Leclerc’s UFP according to the Greek trials, during which GIAT failed to communicate in time the thickness of the UFP, so the Greek assumed the UFP to be “at least as thick as its predecessor (the AMX-30)”.
Gaijin has shown they will not use estimations made using common sense, even when they’re based on the words of the engineers that designed the Leclerc such as Marc Chassillan.
Which is why we are waiting for @Bossman919’s unmatched expertise on the subject.
Assuming that ufp performs the same as the amx30s is ridiculous
And yet, it has been Gaijin’s position for the past 4 years despite our best attempts to change their mind, by using primary and secondary sources or even sources straight from the engineers at GIAT.
Anyone believing this kind of poorly supported bug report is enough to change the Leclerc’s armor is kindly requested to stay away from that matter. Devs tend to lose patience and objectivity when it comes to fixing bug reports that keep being reported all the time.
Nice Joke after of all the dumping of fired Russian CMs. And I’m not even talking about Keofox right now.
70% “Technical Moderators” and development teams USSR Fun Team.
And this in not my fantasies. Its this CMs words with all proofs in Russians blogs chats.
Thats why all feedback about Leclerc ignoring. And why the technique is tuned purely on statistics. Without regard to the popularity of this technique among players and the skill of these players.
HAhahah Its Vladuha i know him.
Just keep repeating this thread until one of the European tech mods takes it over. Just trust me, it will work. If the thread is closed by a Russian tech mod, repeat it in a week.
I’ve had the exact same experience when dealing with vladuxa. I still remember how he closed my report on Leopard 2’s side-skirt thickness despite the fact I had uploaded photos of actual tape measurements of the skirt as proof, because, and I quote, “there are two layers for a total of 100mm” (thus completely ignoring how the measurement had been for only one of them… that was his only answer to me, lol.).
Getting him in an armor-related report feels akin to being cursed, lol.
All Russian tech moderators are engaged to close all such reports on improvement of NATO tanks’ characteristics. Trickster, already known to you, is responsible for this. And most likely an unknown developer with the nickname NNHack.
This is a Le secret de Polichinelle in the Russian environment, which was once again confirmed by the fired CMs (Keo is not the only one who was fired).
And i think now i get ban now on COM forum lol’d.
The dude closed a report on a technical visual/modeling bug… using the historical report rules.
To say I’m upset today is an understatement.
On the subject of Leclerc.
@Bossman919
Keep on keeping on.
You have my continued support of your efforts from the new forum’s creation to present.
From new forum’s creation to present, my respect for you remains; all that bug report deserve respect after all, whether technical reports such as my primary bug reports, or historical reports which is your primary.
I of course have not and will never demand anything of others in the WT bug reporting community.
We all work at our own pace, and I know what it’s like to spend 50+ hours of research; especially when that 50+ hours of research results in nothing usable.
So keep on keeping on.
While Vlad rejected the technical report involving the visual plate that’s not part of the damage model; I hope the historical report you’re working on unrelated to the bug I reported doesn’t get on their radar.
My apologies. I am a high functioning autistic man and that compliment sounded perfect in my mind.
You work faster than I do on historical reports, and I wanted to acknowledge that about you.
I also have a poor memory of time. What feels like a year sometimes is only ~7 months, +/- 2 months, especially if I get depressed.
I deleted my old Discord account at the turn of February, so I couldn’t get an accurate date on when Wareta and I posted. Just my brain being forgetful after at least one time of depression.
So I apologize for me making a statement off of memory that I should’ve known would be flawed.
My inquiries were about the technical bug, not the historical one; and I apologize if I didn’t make that clear enough.
My report was about putting parity with the visual and damage model, nothing more.
I’ve kept an eye on your reports and smile for each one you post, cause you’re doing work on ground vehicles that I wish I had the skill to do myself.
I will stay here with all that I agree with about Leclerc and French vehicles, which does include yourself.
I disagree with you on nothing in the topics discussed today; and I disagree with you on nothing about Leclerc.
Edit:
I may not voice my agreement often; Let it be known that I am always in agreement with every fact.
Whether it’s fixing Vextra, Leclerc, or my original favorite French tank: AMX-30… so on and so forth.
Oh, and sincerity and honesty isn’t lying.
I mean. Who here isn’t?
Broski is lucky… Mine barely functions at all… Best i can hope for is it enters the boot up screen after a coffee XD
Now russian moders sleep and we try again!
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/baqKLqfAH2cp
I cannot endorse spamming the report.
Good luck either way.
Only 2 ways
Spamming or watching “Не ошибка” from russian mods.
sigh…
I’ll give you both 5 bucks if this report ever passes…
