Yeah honestly, stealth is useful against most fox 3s, but now, it isn’t even that helpful against modern AESA equipped radar missiles, especially if they are guided by a platform having both an AESA and good IRST tracking.
taf, i am just an armchair “specialist” (lol), and stealth and how radar can pick their signatures is highly classified, but as long as, let’s say, the f35 can’t secure a good firing position (inside it’s own long range missile range), from outside of the IRST + AESA combo of let’s say, a rafale, then it’s stealth aspect might not be as useful as most people would assume. And considering how many advanced we see just in the consumer optics, I doubt the f35 can fire any type of AIM120 (even the D) without the rafale noticing. Maybe it could with the Aim260 tho ?
To me, it seems that stealth is far less useful in air combat that many people make it seem. It looks far more useful for penetration in enemy territories where you want to avoid detection, but that would be in combination to many other factors (altitude, route…)
I’ve seen a few think tanks put out reports that stealth will be best for penetrating air space to knock out AWACS, SAM, or any other strategic targets.
This is a very well thought out explanation on the limitations of stealth though.
By the way, we should probably move this part of the discussion elsewhere, we’re way off topic from the Leclerc now.
This has definitely turned into the “France suffers” thread, but it’s the only one that has kept traction on different problems without fizzling out.
lol Just… lol
Su-57 isn’t stealth, buddy.
F-35, F22, and so forth will have massive advantages.
That’s really just a non point.
atleast take this to the mirage 2000 thread
Why this is even a discussion I have no idea, continuing it serves no purpose.
Question for french mains, does anyone have any pictures of how 4th gen thermals look by any casuality? Im curious
Hey again. As mentioned in the other threads, there are no clear definition of 4th gen thermals. However from academic research and guessing, it probably revolved around havngafull HD or higher resolution and multi colour rendering
I was mostly curious to see a pic taken with it, since it seemed interesting
The only image I’ve come across that shows the abilities of 4th gen thermals. Make of it what you will lol:
A quick explainer on the differences between 4th gen and previous generations
Unfortunately, the French presented a 4th gen detector in 2009 but since then there’s been nothing but silence - the relevant companies don’t even submit papers to SPIE anymore it seems. The first image comes from a Chinese paper, from what I was able to find the Chinese have also developed a 4th gen thermal imager though it’s still heavily in the experimental phase and probably nowhere near production.
That said, the M10 Booker’s CITV will most likely be using the French 4th gen thermal imager so hopefully something can be learned through American channels in time since the French are characteristically not saying shit…
Interesting, thank you for sharing info
German doctrine : we are going to firmly dig ourselves in a trench and wait for the Russian tanks to arrive
Meanwhile, French doctrine :
That is not true actually. Leopard 1 priotised Mobility over firepower and fire power over protection.
‘‘Modern’’ maneuver warfare was heavily influenced by German troops post WW1. On the estern front during WW2 doctrine at some point simply met reality.
The Cold War would have been fought defensively by NATO though German front line troops would have attempted a mobile defense while on the retreat.
When it is said that with Operation Serval France fought a Lightning War in Mali, it is clear where that term comes from. In Germany itself, especially in publications pre WW2 concerning doctrine, the term Blitzkrieg or something similar was never used.
Damn man, you must be fun at parties
I endevour.^^
only if the suspension worked that well in game
I have my doubts regarding most mbts or even mediums.