There’s two version of the Vextra 105:
And the unstabilised turret was already in the files as it was used on the (now removed) CV 90105 TML…
On the bright side, Vextra 105 would only come to France.
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knowing gaijin we will get the unstabilized one and the other as a premium like with the amx 30 super
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That’s why it says France is getting CBT
Not really that was just speculation by my behalf, the cbt is probably for the leaked benelux sub tt
does not need buff
Is it alright if I complain about how stupid I think BeNeLux for only France is? I’m genuinely not happy about hearing this.
I can go on a rant about how stupid I think it is based on laziness in Gaijin’s development, European culture, and technological connections. My biggest complaint is really the Dutch, as they should be in Germany.
If Gaijin ever just decides “Everything from these are going to this one tech tree.” I’ve already been struggling to get back into a mindset to even casually play WT again as it is.
The Vextra going to anything else but France will make me completely wash my hands of all this.
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The dutch will be a subtree for France because of the AMX-13-105.
Remember how Smin said France would get a DF-105 counterpart? Well there you have it.
That seems like such a strange solution for a simple problem.
I would rather like a stabilized variant of the AMX-13 anyways, the SK-105A3 is the best that I know of.
sk isnt really a “variant of the amx 13”
Technically not, I admit.
If France gets a foreign vehicle, it should at least be something that can’t already just have a French flag slapped on it. The SK-105A3 is based on the AMX-13.
It need buff, tank too mid.
It should already go to France without a Dutch subtree. And if that’s the “DF-105 counterpart” that the devs promised 2.5 years ago when it’s just an easy copy-paste… well, I’d be a bit disappointed to say the least.
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Now I’m sad, but it will at least have better firepower than 10rc right?
Here how the devs could add a DF105 counter part :
-Take an AMX13 hull
-take the DF105 turret
-slap it on the hull
It’s as easy as that. But yeah, 2.5 years might be a bit short for them to pull such a feat
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Yeah, while the turret is based on the 10RC turret, engineers where given more… leeway to slap the OTAN standard 105 instead of the underpowered 105 found on the AMX 10RC. That’s because the turret was meant to be mounted on heavier vehicles (such as the vextra) which can support the bigger recoil.
In terms of firepower, it would be the same as found on the AMX30B2 and later 105s, but it could get access to the OFL 120 F2 depending on its BR with about 495mm of pen if we use the L-O formula (source from Bossman ask him if you want infos on how he calculated it). Technically, this shell was used on the Brenus as well, but as it’s at 8.7, it does not have it. Stabilized VEXTRA could tho at 10.0+
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That’s great news, I feel like the stabilized version is gonna come, since without stabilized it would be around 8.3/8.7, which France already has 4 LT around that BR, and I cannot imagine a vehicle at 9.0+ without stabilizer. Btw what do you guys think about the new sub tree tho, France already have 5 lines, will Gaijin Merge the two mbt lines into one and add one tree dedicated to Benelux like Hungary in Italy? Or will they just add vehicles randomly inside the current lines?
I wouldn’t underestimate Gaijin’s ability to completely misinterpret what a tech tree needs. As France has been neglected throughout the years and only got a few useless additions.
If BeNeLux is added to France, they’d probably just add them throughout existing branches.
We don’t have any room for different branches to be merged just to create an underwhelming one.
But I still think the entire thing is stupid, even if it’s true or not.
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Netherlands isn’t needed at all nor do I think it really has a place in France. Belgium only would be very beneficial and supplement France very nicely - note how I say supplement not substitute indigenous French additions as I fear the devs will do. Two or three Leopards 1 (Belgian modified of course) could help shore up lineups but it’s really only needed if there’s ever massive (albeit necessary) BR decompression that would extend the current top-tier BR to say 13.7.
The Cockerill projects will be very nice though and Cockerill participated in quite a few (to say the least). Also, whilst the turrets are manufactured in Belgium, all the FCS (except for a few) and weapons systems are French.
But like I said, I don’t really want to see CV90s and Dutch Leopard 2s (which are in German service lol) in the French tech tree - had I wanted to play those vehicles I would go play Sweden. Were the SXXI fixed it would one of the best vehicles in-game for all intents and purposes and easily on par with the 2A7 since the armour upgrades were quite extensive (though not at the same level as the 2A7) and “good enough” for almost every top-tier shell across the hull and turret.
On the note about armour, reports on it will come soon; however, there are a lot of sources and it would take some time to put it all together. Also, for every bug report that gets pushed through for the Leclerc about three other bug reports can receive fixes lol. For real though, give the devs primary sources and they won’t even increase the the coax MG ammo capacity by 150 rounds yet they’ll happily increase the VAB’s engine horsepower by 50%.
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Personally I think it is was a shitty idea to add BeNeLux to France. We had the chance to have the only Tech Tree with no copy paste at top tier but now we will get tons of foreign copy pasted vehicles instead of home made original vehicles. By the way, it also means that we will see a lot less french vehicles in the next updates…
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Sucks to suck I guess. Having something added against our wishes is definitely not a very good feeling. I don’t really like being told to just suck up the additions as well.
I definitely agree with you in that sentiment. We likely won’t see French developed vehicles for a long time because we have vehicles that will likely be copy-paste. So we will likely be told to stop complaining since we finally have something. Even though it’s something that hasn’t been asked for. The French tree could ultimately lose a lot of character that has made it unique, the waste of potential could likely be fatal as France has had a lot of it that hasn’t gone anywhere…
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