My man is only discovering now that the Leclercs are in fact, trash.
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Pics dont load, hope im the only one who can’t see them ;v
I also can’t see them
The dumb reason why gaijin won’t buff the Leclerc is mostly because France has a good winrate overall at top tier because the people who play France are usually pretty good but it’s kinda irrelevant because the tank is still bad even if people are performing well in it
And with the most recent addition, the AZUR, it’s just another slap in the face because it’s just an S2 with an additional armor package that isn’t even good since it can’t even stop 30 mm apfsds like it’s supposed to and it’s vulnerability to atgms makes me cringe even more since it was made to stop to type of threat.
we have the ammunition.
OFL 120 F1 isn’t atrocious but its not that good either, OFL 120 F2 would be nice since it has been suggested for more than 2 years .
F1 does spall well against certain tanks but now with the addition of spall liner in certain tanks that round is basically useless at best in some cases unless you hit gunner commander consistently or the breach meaning you have to shoot more than once at the same target
Also the lack of an HE shell for the Leclerc makes it hard to kill light armored targets
And to finish the armor protection should be way better especially with the S21 since it was upgraded for that purpose. Also the crew compartment in the turret has a metal panel (not sure what it’s made of) that separates the commander and the gunner meaning that they cannot see each other in the turret at all inside the tank.
But the commander can still control the gun if needed and can fulfill the same role as the gunner in case the gunner is injured or unable to operate the gun. There’s pictures of the interior of the turret that solidifies my statement.
Does it have spall liner ? I have no clue it it does have one but I will assume it does.
Feel free to correct me if am wrong about the stuff I say.
I am open to any type of criticism.
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You are wrong in one thing (kinda). You said the point of the AZUR is to stop 30mm, but the base leclerc should already be immune to 30mm lol.
Also small liners do exist, although we don’t have any diagrams to show where they are, so gaijin won’t accept reports
Edit : I will as a bit more to the 30mm thing. French document mention that the Leclerc is immune to French 30mm. However at the time of said documents, the only 30mm available is the one found in the AMX 30 DCA in game. Which pens 110mm with its APDS
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My man, all Leclercs should be immune to 30mm
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You summed up the issues about the Leclercs, yes. I did it in the past and some others too.
We are at a point where, more than summing up the issues plaguing the Leclercs, we need to find a way to change that.
We need to find a way to force the Devs to wake up and actually start fixing the Leclercs.
A premium Leclerc would probably do the trick, but we have yet to see one … Meanwhile, the USA has 3 premium Abrams …
I shall be a bit more constructive here…
The hull of the Leclerc has two walls of RHA which are 30mm thick:
Then there's what is (most certainly) UHH steel panels which are 35mm thick and offer 70 KE according to the manufacturer
Altogether the sponsons should have 140 KE which aligns with what @vizender says about the French document which is from 1980. Only autocannon around that time was the the French/ British HS 831 (joint venture IIRC) which is the same as on the DCA. The next autocannon to appear - the 2A42 - would not enter service until 1983.
Also there's no evidence of there's no seperating wall between the commander and gunner. The red arrow is pointing to the autoloader door in a SXXI:
But yeah, you’re otherwise right
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Are any of you guys behind this thing?
Did it ever got posted or reported to the devs?
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@HielHortler @Texas_Engineer_Mike
The pictures are linked from the bug report, you can see them here on the right under “screenshots”:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WIbWMOH8scDT
Not sure if you’re talking about me or the guy I was responding to lol, because I’m well aware well it’s trash, that’s one of the reason I made this thread.
Not gonna lie though, I was expecting that that incredibly small strip of armor would at least work. Turns out it’s fucking bugged.
This part is incorrect. There’s a sort of grate to protect the commander and gunner from the gun and autoloader, but they’re not entirely separated
(timestamp 09:20 and 09:33)
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cheers
I am uploading the PDF version of https://docer.pl/doc/8151ss8 because I am unsure if the website works
19.12.23 Leclerc (All Variants) Incorrect Frontal Armour.rar (223.7 KB)
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LOL no. My bug reports for it have been in purgatory for months.
I know all that, but you’re missing what I’m saying. There’s a very small strip of the glacis that’s “reasonably” armored, and 3BM42 absolutely shouldn’t be able to pen it:
And yet, 3BM42 can penetrate it like a hot knife through butter in actual battles, as showed in this video
By the game’s own rules, 3B42 shouldn’t be able to pen that part of the Leclerc, yet it is able to.
The armor isn’t just poorly modeled and implemented compared to the real life Leclerc, it’s honest to god broken.
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Hi @Smin1080p , sorry for bothering, do you know if there will be an official response concerning the (numerous) Leclerc’s reports ? (Such as the one made for the Challenger 2 and M1 Abrams)
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Hello
We do not plan to do a seperate article on every MBT. We covered the most discussed matters in the community feedback for the previous major update.
We will continue to work on reports for all vehicles and answer them directly in each individual case after it has been properly reviewed.
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M1 Abrams: 1600 replies
Leclerc: 2300 replies
“We covered the most discussed matters” except Leclerc cause why not
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I’d be surprised if any other top MBT had more open reports than the Leclerc.
But they won’t give a French TT consultant and they won’t address the Leclerc… Minor Nation Syndrome
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Challenger 2 maybe
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Forget about it its the same boat as Japan,we dont havy big comunities which can cry enough that Gj will hearthem,lkke US and Brits.
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