look horrendous tbh but i like it
It looks like EMBT but IFV
It’s the other way around actually
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I don’t believe the UAE ever received the SXXI package.
This is a photo of an S2. The gunner side armour looks thicker than what is shown in your photo:
The S2 received upgraded armour (which the S1OP would be retrofitted with) which saw the gunner side armour slightly increase:
(Ignore how a different armour is represented on the sides of the autoloader for the S1 and S2 - there’s no evidence this occured as this diagram otherwise suggests).
The problem is that the UAE occasionally shoddily fitted the armour in some cases which means they could be misidentified for an S2 by the gunner side armour (like in this image). But the scale model next to it shows it is indeed the S1 armour.
In this image you can see a UAE Leclerc which obviously has the S1 armour. So just because a few photos appear to show the extra protruding gunner side armour (which would be indicative of an S2) this is not the case. Hope that makes sense.
Also, the UAE Leclerc orders were all based on 1993 contractual agreeements according to Al Jazeera. The armour package the French used wouldn’t come for a few more years (partly why Leclercs didn’t enter service until November 1998).
This can't be seen with the UAE Leclerc from 2021:
A Leclerc S1 for reference (which didn't receive upgraded armour):
If there’s ever an Arab TT, they may as well receive the UAE Leclerc. The UAE Leclerc also only has 1st gen thermals (albeit a CITV) and worse mobility with the German drivetrain.
On the other hand, French top-tier should look like (if devs weren’t morons):
- Leclerc S1: original armour package [same as on UAE Leclerc
- Leclerc S1OP: upgraded armour with Gen 2 gunner thermals
- Leclerc S2: same armour as S1OP but with Gen 3 thermals
- Leclerc SXXI: armour upgrade over the S1OP/S2 and Gen 3 commander and gunner thermals
AZUR should be a mod for S2 and SXXI. It’s stupid that it’s its own vehicle.
There’s not really a need for a UAE Leclerc in the French TT. Pre-production Leclercs would be better for a premium and/or squadron vehicles - they would all be worse than a UAE Leclerc which would result in worse statistics.
Also, this poster states the UAE Leclerc weighs either 54.3t or 56.3t (can't tell which)
UAE Leclercs would weigh wore than an S1 since the chassis is 20cm longer and there is additional side armour. The S2 (which has upgraded armour) weighs ~57t. So its impossible for the UAE Leclerc to weigh less than the S2 whilst having the same armour as it.
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This comment probably contains more knowledge about the Leclercs than Gaijin probably has gathered lol.
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It’s embarrassing that nothing after the AMX-30s has been modelled correctly except the ITO-90M (go figure). Even then AMX-30 and its derivatives somehow all have different engine HP despite having the same drivetrain - although the B2s did receive improved engines IRL.
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That’s because it was first intended for Sweden 😅
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Imagineeeeeeee.
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Never said it recieved SXXI armor package, clearly stated that some of them did recieve armor upgrade which photos shows it.
Now I get why Sweden is so overpowered lol
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Except that you deemed it better than the AZUR as a replacement after the S21, which it is not, at least in my opinion.
Your personal choice concerns you, my personal choice concerns me.
İn the end its up to Gaijin.
All modern MBTs can “scout” or report, mark & relay targets, but that’s not how this game works where it is relegated to light tanks.
But Gaijin gave the Leclercs have so little armor in War Thunder, they should be classified as Light Tanks instead : Switch the Leclerc MBTs from the "medium tank" role to the "light tank" role
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i think i said it somewhere already but
Best fix
Remove the armor and give it 20mm sheet metal :)
no armor = no spalling
Profit
Well, yes and no.
The closest thing to what the French use is the Systematic SitaWare which is on the Leopard 2 and Abrams and used by over 45 different countries. So you can communicate with friendlies the positions of enemies IRL but you can already do this in-game.
With French systems this process is automatic and with the Leclerc S2 and onwards it became possible to automatically scan the surroundings, detect an enemy and then automatically relay this info. I doubt this exists with the SitaWare since I couldn’t find any info on this and also it would require the system be compatible with various different systems and technologies from different countries.
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The Japanese have their variant of the command and control system running since the early '90s in their military, and I believe most modern militaries have something similar in use as you mentioned.
The Type 10 tank is equipped with a C4I system (command, control, communication, computer & intelligence) known as “10NW”. This system integrates into the JGSDF network, enabling real-time information sharing between tanks in conjunction with the “Field Communication System” (FiCS) and the “Regiment Command Control System” (ReCS).
- Platoon automatic target recognition, target synchronization, target broadcast
- Real-time sharing of commands from the tank platoon leader
- Real-time vehicle status monitoring (position, rotation, weapon status)
- Fire control system integration
In modern militaries everything is intertwined, you can lase a target from a MBT, for the strike aircraft, you get target positions marked from AWACS (and similar) systems from the sky, or vice versa etc.
And again, “scouting” like we have in this game, could be said to be possible even in WW2 times, most tanks had radios, except Soviets.
Are you kidding me right now
It wasn’t even with 3BM60, but 3BM42
Not only is the Leclerc’s armor coverage too weak compared to its IRL counterpart, but what little is there doesn´t even work
This is the second time this has happened to me, looks like I’ll have to make a bug report again
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
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The second hit was on the upper party of the front the First One Needs more testing
I know, but at that angle it should’ve bounced, yet it did not.