The Leclerc is in dire need of a buff

Oh please … first your comment is pretty off topic but anyway.

Second don’t talk about ““unrealiability”” or ““design flaws”” to justify the lower attractivity of french military equipment.

As far as I know it’s the F-35 that was not able able to fly under rain condition for quite some time ???And already have multiple malfuctuions histroy and some crashes to my knowledge

For the fact, the rafale never ever crashed because of malfuctuion or unrealiability, like never.
The FAMAS was known for it’s unmatched reliability but again lost attractivness because of the cost of production.

So please be honest, we all know how predatory is the international arms trade and the US is the king to put pressure on foreign states to buy their products over anything else.

France makes some of the best weapons in the world, it’s just can’t fight the US on the “”“buisness”“”" side of things.

Just look at what happened with the australian subs, and it was only the visible part of the isberg…

P.S: Are you realy stating that the Pz2000 is a better design than the CAESAR , don’t make me laught. Go ask the Ukrainians

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You CANNOT expect me to BELIEVE this is realistic.

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What about it?

Way thicker and no gaps between blocks, yet only 4 times effective? Its just funky

I mean, it is “4 times more effective” but the difference between 5mm and 20mm is nothing. Even though the AZUR ERA is clearly dozens of times thicker and heavier.

Not to mention that Kontakt-1 ERA is one of the first mass produced ERAs and is decades older than the AZUR ERA.

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This is a issue with all Western ERA NERA armour
They heavily underperform
I don’t know for what is on the Leclerc but the Challenger 2 TES add on armour is miss named as ERA when its a NERA ERA sandwich that should provide protection from 30mm apfds and Tandem charge warheads of 1200ce
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/LIQZc0VjpdM4
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hUjNza9bvJyP

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Yep, so many instances of poor implementation

Your thought, not reality. F-35 is more of an industrial aircraft rather than a fighter. The F-35 is a hangar queen, is not yet fully operational and still has many critical flaws remaining. Just look at DoD and GAO reports, not LM’s advertising (the so-called “revolutionary” simulator which reduce the flight hours made me laugh).

Pz2000 (17 M) is 3 times more expensive than Caesar (5 M) for the same effect (both guns are 52 caliber long). It has reliability issues and mediocre off-road performance since it uses a Leopard 1 chassis. Also, ukrainian forces are already expressing their preference for Caesar but this is understandable since 2S22 Bohdana is inspired by it.

Arms sales is more about political reasons rather than performance or value for money, 75 000 US soldier on your soil will be a good reason to buy US. In europe they mostly compete against each over and they favor their own national manufacturers first. in fact, south korean equipements are becoming more popular recently.

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Maybe off topic but I’d still say that (for Ukraine) AHS Krab is a much better choice than PzH2k

Should I throw in the Swedish Archer in the mix

Seams the me the Ceaser is a towed gun fixed to a truck so still needs time to set up meanwhile the pzh 2000 more fits the classic self-propelled gun
Stop aim fire and move away

I just realized there is no classification differences between a dedicated vehicle
Pzh m10 su152 stuh 42

And just mounting guns to flatbeds with minimal effort

Flakbus chiha-longgun milk trucks VFW and it’s British equivalent Ceaser the Russian 206 gun Carrier and the Mortar equivalent

Due to scale of availability (the fact Poland basically gave them away due to K9), yes. Capability wise it is, apart from the Battlefield Management System, not that good. One of the strengths that 2K brings over all other tracked artillery systems is the fact that charges are completely separated from the crew by blast doors… a pretty foreign concept to most designers (apart from the US).

Granted, it uses all the same ammunition that 2K does, so as I’ve already stated; more artillery = good, less artillery = bad.

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Hey guys I don’t want to interfer but what tf it has to do with the Leclerc? Maybe create a new topic to debate about it…

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True, sorry for that.

to be fair your french guy started the fight lol

I couldn’t care less about who started or not, if you guys want to discuss about other vehicles to that an appropriate spaces, this is not the proper space for it.

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An ex-military aviator, reactor in chief for Air & Cosmos ( https://air-cosmos.com/home ), is in contact with french volunteers and is often called in national news for his expertise. True, wipipédia and The Buzz arefar more reliable…

seeing how you dont consider the words of active war personal yeah, definitly not reliable

Anyway, steering the thread back to the topic…

A few people were asking how the bug reports are going… Currently there has been no change to the ones which have been acknowledged.

All the bug reporting is done except for armour. In this case, as a rough idea at what we’ll be looking at:

  • The S1 is missing up to 100mm of composite across the frontal arc
  • The SXXI is missing up to 200mm of composite across the frontal arc
  • The S2 is somewhere in between
  • Overall increases in protection

There’s a few things that need to be resolved, hearing back from people as well as making sure everything is accounted for before moving ahead with a report. This could take a while.

In the mean time, we are looking for people who know how to create user missions. We need to do some testing of the Leclerc with a few tweaked parameters, such as:

  • Changing the top speeds for each gear
  • Changing the rpm at which max horsepower is available

Basically copying and pasting the Leclerc in-game into a user mission with a few lines of code changed. If anyone is able to help us with this or put us in touch with someone it would be deeply appreciated.


Hopefully, we see some improvements soon with the current bug reports!

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bruh 45k answers to this topic is so wild

I hope Gaijin is COOKING in secret something for Leclercs they’ll release with the premium Leclerc

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At this rate I’m certain Gaijin is cooking up a Swede Leclerc variant that will recieve 5s reload, actual hyperbar engine performance and vastly improved armor through appliqué composite. Gaijin will jump through as many hoops as possible to prevent a french tech buff, as historical precedent has shown.

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