Yeah the reload and significantly better turret make the T 80 U’s disadvantages feel less… disadvantageous.
I cannot be asked to play another 7s vehicle, it’s torture. The upcoming ZTZ96B is looking promising though.
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I guess so.
Yeah… especially if they have a bad reverse speed.
The T-90M should honestly be 12.3, possibly even after the BR decompression to 13.0.
6.7s reload and worse hull armour, but with better reverse speed, round, gun handling and thermals than the 11.7 T-80s.
It seems underBR’d to say the least 😅
Not sure why it’s 0.7 BRs lower than the ZTZ99A.
Looks like it will be better than the Al-Khalid / MBT-2000, and I’m still wondering why the VT4 is at 12.3 still.
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I think 11.7 will be good for the 96B, but it is still unfinished so we’ll see. The main problem will be the very lackluster armor, mainly the turret, that roof is huge and will get overmatched by any APFSDS.
TBH it seems more like it’s unfinished – like you said.
If it remains like that in the live server then I guess it would be fine at 11.7.
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Having tried to screw around with the Leclerc on dev with the new basket modeled (which unlike many I am not opposed to), really feeling like the armour needs to be corrected (even glancing shots that barely pen knock out the horizontal from the other side of the tank if spalling even approaches the module), or a better round needs to be provided to account for the increase in deficiencies.
Or mobility being fixed. But as with Chally, that will only happen when the sun explodes.
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The fact that their introducing such a massive nerf without anything to compensate for it (be it buffs or BR changes) is pure insanity.
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Its February K/D is already not that much higher than the M1A2 SEP and T-80 BVM: 1.41 for the Leclerc SXXI (the best performing variant), 1.30 for the SEP and 1.31 for the BVM. The Leclerc S2 is the worst performing variant and is nearly tied at 1.32. All variants were below the Leo 2A7s and Strv 122s (except the Strv 122A, which was below the SXXI and S1 with K/Ds of 1.39, 1.41 and 1.40 respectively).
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In January, it was: 1.43 for the Leclerc SXXI (again the best performing variant), 1.34 for the SEP and 1.33 for the BVM. The Leclerc S2 was also at 1.32, putting it below the SEP and BVM. All variants besides the SXXI were below the 2A7s and 122s. The SXXI is only ahead of the German 2A7V, with a K/D of 1.43 and 1.42 respectively.
When you take into account the average skill difference between France and US/Russia/Germany players that’s not a great situation, and that’s before this ginormous nerf.
Absolutely unhinged changes.
The BMPT already killed a lot of my drive to play the game, and this has essentially killed almost everything that remained.
Speaking of, imagine adding the basket to one of the most mid tank in the game while another is absolutely decimating the balance of the game and doesn’t have it (even though it’s one of the most recent vehicles in the game and should have had it from day 1)
IIRC, the reason the VBCI has a manned turret is specifically because they wanted to keep fighting capabilities in case of power loss, so that should be accurate.
You can see something that could be one of the crank handle right above the joystick.
Those UFP values seems quite optimistic considering that the Ariete weigh less than a Leclerc while having no weight-saving design features such as an autoloader.
Totally agree on the additional protection from the WAR package being way too low however.
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Community Bug Reporting System here’s the bug report if you want it, i’m no expert so I just assume this is correct.
Seems to be a typo?
It’s more that some 12.7s need to move up to 13.0 than Leclerc going down in BR.
0.3 br difference will not change anything and we both know that.
Even my 12.0’s Abrams constantly gets dragged to 12.3-12.7 games most of the time…
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Welcome to the club.
You are aware leos and abrams were running around with that one sided nerf since quite a long time?
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Leo’s were always better than Leclerc’s up until the turret basked nerf and ROF buff.
After those changes Leclerc’s became better than base Leo’s.
As for the Abrams it was always better than Leclerc’s.
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Unfortunately I don’t have access to any of the sources so I can’t really tell ¯\(ツ)/¯
… Yes? Like, what kind of question is that?
The massive difference here is that the Abrams and Leo 2s/Strv 122s are simply better tanks than the Leclercs.
I swear, the reaction of some of y’all to these changes to the Leclercs and Type 10s has just been catharsis out of some kind of spite or something. It’s not our fault these changes were implemented, so I don’t see why you’re just making these kind of snarky comments.
At least the Type 10 still has amazing firepower, but the Leclerc just has… nothing. Everything it can do, other tanks can do better, including being a jack of all trade. There’s no objective reason to pick over other tanks.
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Not gonna lie… most of the sources in that report are of… questionable quality at best.
A 420mm KE upper plate protection at the LoS thickness given would give it better/superior modifier than some of the nano-ceramic composites created in 2010s by Germany/US/Japan/etc, it’s simply not beliveable.
If it won’t change anything then it could very well stay where it is currently.
It pretty much just reverted to how it should be.
They are. And the addition of the turret basket to them massively degressed their capability.
And it didnt reflect well anymore that the leos are in fact better then leclercs.
Brother it’s a game, it’s supposed to be balanced. If the Leclerc really is worse than the Leo 2 then it shouldn’t be at the same BR, otherwise they’re just clay targets to enable you to powertrip in your Leo.
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Unfortunate. I had hope. It was accepted/forwarded though, so maybe it is correct? But its been 2 years so chances are limited that it gets implemented.
Has never been the case.
Gajin advertises themself with realism.
While they try to balance stuff. Its trough reload speed or armament. Not ridiculous stuff like this.
Thats what brs are for, but its to compromised.
There just exist better vehicles over the others thats natural
Rafale is bullshit dominating since a long time as well.
Guy tries to argue balance wuth stuff like the BMPT, cant stop laughing.
When one side gets onesided massive nerfs, thats not balance
Except they’re being very selective with their realism and the Leclerc isn’t properly modeled in multiple ways, like its UFP and mobility, so…
Also, “there are other examples of things not being balanced therefore it’s fine if it’s unbalanced elsewhere” is a mentality that’s toxic as hell and honestly I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith.
And the Leclerc could absolutely go down in BR (and so too could some other MBTs but that’s not the subject) after this massive nerf.
I literally called out the BMPT in the post that you initially quoted as being broken AF:
So you can miss me with your strawmen thank you very much.
…wat
Of course it can be balance, if you have a vehicle that’s overperforming (not saying it was the case of the Leo 2 and Abrams however) then it’s perfectly fine for it to get a nerf. Like, what kind of absurd logic is that? Going by your logic, the BMPT shouldn’t be unilaterally nerfed. Spoiler warning: IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD.
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