5.0 Second reload and the EBRC would have me grinding France again. Gaijin please let me enjoy the game.
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Leclerc (All Variants) Model is a Meter too Long
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/iyAUk5DCKIrh
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They could add the AMX-10RC with the TML turret as premium and the Vextra 105mm in the tech tree, with the Vextra 120mm after it.
But given the Abrams and Challenger prems, it’ll likely be a Leclerc.
How did they even get the length of the tank wrong lol
Also, keeping track of the different reports I could find about the Leclerc since mid November, updating regularly :
Fixed :
Community Bug Reporting System turret rotation and elevtion speed - fixed
Community Bug Reporting System apfds weight - fixed (No gameplay modification, only Statcard AFAIK)
Rejected :
Community Bug Reporting System coax rounds - refused (game mechanic missing ?)
Community Bug Reporting System armor (because of Swedish and UK trials)
Community Bug Reporting System hull armour no. 2 (in addition to the previous one, Russian source not accepted)
Community Bug Reporting System ufp angle (They don’t accept photographs, understandable, missing one other source)
Community Bug Reporting System armor (Improved report disproving Swedish and UK trials as relevant sources) Rejected again, we are working on year another revision of the report
Community Bug Reporting System - Well, 13 sources including video evidence are not enough. Great…
Community Bug Reporting System azur naming (should be named AZUR 2006 as there exist another AZUR kit from 2011). Rejected for whatever reason, but very low priority report
In Limbo (acknowledged or not)
Community Bug Reporting System smoke duration and diameter (its currently standardised in game so not much hope on this for now)
Community Bug Reporting System smokes (give more smoke launches to the tank)
Community Bug Reporting System he round missing (would be highly appreciate to overpressure Russian roofs)
Community Bug Reporting System top speed (minor improvement of 1kph)
Community Bug Reporting System azur lws (already physically modelled lol)
Community Bug Reporting System side armor (against 30mm)
Community Bug Reporting System carc / cce (French standard camo)
Community Bug Reporting System missing hyperbar (should make the Leclerc as manoeuvrable as the ZTZ99)
Community Bug Reporting System spall liners
Community Bug Reporting System side armour (could resist 30mm auto cannons and RPG7 while keeping the crew intact)
Community Bug Reporting System S21 wrong thermals (Comparing the specs to other ig gen 3 thermals, S21 sights should be gen 3)
Community Bug Reporting System azur thermals (Same as SXXI but for gunner of the AZUR)
Community Bug Reporting System incorrect model (Leclerc should be shorter than even the T80U, and yet is almost the length of the Leo 2)
Community Bug Reporting System Continuous mod for the MG instead of the 150 belts
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Afte the manpads devblog.Why you guys just dont create a bugreport how you believe that Leclerc has better armor,asume that it should have better reload and think mobility should be boosted 🤭
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One more who says the thermal baths thank you yes France is considered with everything you show thanks you
T-90S vs Leclerc vs Leopard.
Length seems to be done via fuel tank attachments attached.
Type 10 vs Leclerc:
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I don’t think that’s how its done its done IRL. The Leclerc has one less roadwheel than the Leopard so it should be rather significantly shorter. I think the T-72/ T-90 is also incorrect.
This will require more investigation for a different bug report.
I can supply Type 90, Type 10, Leclerc, Leopard 2A5/6, T-90S, T-90A, T-80B, Challenger 2, T-72, Abrams, Type 96, Ariete P, and Merkava 3 for more comparisons as we investigate dimensions.
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I am still trying to find the source for that, but I remember reading somewhere tat the compact design of the engine allowed GIAT engineers to remove 1 road wheel over the Leopard, which allowed a reduction in size [of at least 1m] compared to the Leopard 2 and allowed for more mass to be put in the frontal armor.
I believe GIAT engineers worked with similar road wheel designs as the Leopard, hence why having less roadwheels equates to lower length. For the type 10 I don’t know at all, expect that maybe road wheels are further spaced appart due to the tank needing to have better performances while climbing, or to allow for more room for the movable hydropneumatic suspension
The Leclerc is modelled correctly in game.
In this image you can see that the black line is perfectly aligned with the front of the hull:
In this image you can see that the Leclerc is less than 7 m long (the black line is at the front of the tank and each white line is 1 m:
In this image you can see that the length of the tank is between 6.8 and 6.9 m (the grey line is 7 m):
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In the bug report, you can see we found the Leclerc to be almost a meter longer than the T-80U in-game when in reality it is shorter. We also compared it to the Leopard 2 and found the Leclerc was almost the same length. Either the Leclerc is wrongly modelled or all other MBTs are wrongly modelled.
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Thanks for checking for us. However, our argument isn’t just the precise length of the tank, but rather how it compared specifically to the T80U and (earlier) Leopard 2 hulls. IRL, the Leclerc is barely shorter than the T80 and at least 1m shorter than the Leo 2. However, from our observations in game (and if you can actually check like you did for the Leclerc we would really appreciate), the Leclerc is both longer than the T80U and barely shorter than the Leo 2. By exactly how much, we don’t know as we did not use the software you used. This would mean that if the Leclerc was correctly modelled, at least the T80 and the Leo2 hull would be wrongly modelled, so our report still stands in many ways.
Edit : Here is a comparaison of the T80UK to the Leclerc in game : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189009603543957535/1189300708223226028/War_Thunder_-_In_battle_27_12_2023_3_26_30_AM.png?ex=659da998&is=658b3498&hm=b1c74dc790f5839cbe916978a080114282958cec0544ac8e9e8948eae5929c15&
The T80 is significantly shorter
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So are the Russian t80s smaller than they should be?
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This would indicate that T-80 is unrealistically shorter.
Of course T-80, T-90, and T-72 should have an almost identical hull height compared to Abrams as well.
Largely cause Abrams development was to make the hull as low as possible.
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And it would the same for the Leopard 2 in that case as well
How strange.
You’ve apparently determined that the figure given for the Leclerc is without the exhaust etc. The problem is that you do not know what the manufacturer is referring to when they say the length of the T-80U hull is 7.012m If you measure from the front of the mud guards to the rear of the fuel tank supports then the in game model is indeed just over 7m:
Spoiler
If you want Gaijin to action the report I imagine you will need to prove exactly what dimension the manufacturer is giving for the hull. Just assuming that it is without the mud guards, and without the fuel drum supports probably won’t cut it.