I think in terms of balance and potentially making the French tech tree more popular the reload should be knocked down to 5 seconds, there’s vehicles at lower BR’s which have a faster reload. I don’t think 5 seconds is game breaking or meta defining, its just making a vehicle more viable in comparison to its competition.
Yeah, that Leclerc at the beginning is sped up, a good example of why video evidence isn’t allowed by Gaijin for time-related matters.
Cause as we saw with the allegedly unedited Leclerc video it’s closer to 6 seconds.
In my video, the entire Leclerc clip lasts 6.01 seconds. The timing starts when the ammunition door opens and ends at the first frame where the breech moves down, which occurred at 4.08 seconds.
In the clip from @SPANISH_AVENGER, the full autoloader sequence is 17.9 seconds long. I used the exact same starting and stopping conditions as in my video. The video is indeed not sped up. Claiming that either video is sped up implies that all three reloading segments in the two videos have been altered. My timing results are within 0.0333 seconds, corresponding to 30FPS, so the slight variation in answers is likely due to the low frame rate and resolution.
Feel free to apply the same method to both videos, and you will get the same answer. Do not accuse something of being fake if you have not done the research or testing to prove it.
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The correctness of the reload times for tanks greatly depends on when you start the counting process. In the case of my video, the timing began when the ammunition door opened, and the same approach was applied to the Type 90, K2, and VT5.
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Yes I’m planning on making a bug report about it. The reload is actually in the realm of 4-5 seconds. I’m not too pressed about it since I’m pretty sure it won’t amount to anything but yes, we can technically request a 5 seconds reload.
However as Smin said many times before reload is a balancing tool for the Devs. So if you guys actually want the reload to go down, please stop pressuring the Devs to reduce the reload rate and instead pressure them to give us a squadron Leclerc like the UAE Leclerc.
That’s the best way to lower the Leclerc’s winrate and thus buff the reload rate.
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Reload starts long before the door opens.
The door only opens when the automatic loading system has the gun perfectly aligned, in order to have the door open for as short as possible.
@totolescargo
It’ll fail because the reload is not 4 - 5 seconds as proven in Spanish’s video & the document excerpt supplied here.
The best way to get a 5 second Leclerc is to get a prototype that fires OFL 120 G1 for ~10.3.
But the thing is that Gaijing does not take into account gun alignment when it comes to reloading. All reloads are the same, no matter the gun position. And, Gaijing tends to take best case scenarios for many autoloading systems, thus why we argue that a 4-5s reload on the Leclerc is in the realm of possibility if the devs decide to buff the Leclerc in this way. But as you said, it will depend on having a Leclerc with worse stats for the devs to consider it
They do take it into account, which is why all reloads are the same & longer than real-life reloads.
And no, all reloads are slower than real life, including T-series tanks.
There are zero autoloaders that have a reload faster than real life.
Honestly, don’t you want the Leclerc to have a better reload? Say it directly instead of defending Gaijin.
I only want things to be accurate.
Seeking anything else is hypocrisy.
Leclerc could probably do with some armour fixes before reload buffs no?
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or both at the same time? Gaijin just has to have the courage to do it.
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Hello,
Over the last week or so I have been researching the Leclerc and compiling various credible resources (none of which are classified) which have very exciting information, such as:
- Every Leclerc from the S1 should have frontal hull protection and turret protection that is impervious to M829A2 (the lower front plate is unarmoured, however)
- The SXXI should have 3rd Gen Commander and Gunner Thermals
- The practical reload rate is indeed 5 seconds
- OFL 120 F1 should have 560mm of penetration at 2000m
However, I have reached a point where Google Translate has become unviable; as such, I was hoping for people who are fluent in Polish, Russian and French to join me in this endeavour.
Additionally, I was wondering if any of you had access to the following resources:
- Stephane Ferrard, Gerard Turbe: “Le Systeme Leclerc”
- Yu. Charov. “French main battle tank ‘Leclerc’” - “Foreign Military Review”
- Trucks and Tanks Magazine Special Issues 24, 31,34
- Raids Magazine Special Issue 3
- Stefan Marx: “LECLERC - Der französische Kampfpanzer des 21”
- Dariusz Użycki: “Leclerc - pół generacji przed Abramsem i Leopardem”
- Jean-Gabriel Jeudy: “Chars de France: Les dieux ont soif du sang des hommes”
- Laurent Tirone: “De l’AMX 13 au Leclerc”
- M. P. Robinson, Thiery Guillemain: “Char Leclerc”
- Marc Chassilan: “New Encyclopedia Of Modern Main Battle Tanks: Volume 1”
- G.L. Kholyavsky "The Complete Encyclopedia of World Tanks 1915 – 2000”
If you are interested in working with me, whether to track down resources or help translate, please PM me on the Forums.
I plan to write a report which would outline all the historical inaccuracies of the Leclerc as implemented in War Thunder as well as resolutions to these problems. The aim is to resolve the problems of the Leclerc once and for all! As such, using the information within this report, several bug reports and suggestions will be made.
However, I will not be sharing any of my sources unless we end up working together. I don’t want bug reports or suggestions made prematurely as this would only serve to prolong the current issues. Therefore, if we do end up working together, it will be on the provision that no sources are shared outside of the team.
Sincerely,
Bossman919
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Accuracy isn’t a thing to consider when Gaijin admitted that reload is a balance factor and isn’t always based on real capabilities.
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In terms of making things slower yes.
Nothing has met their real reload except for the fixed-gun platforms such as 103, AMX-13, AMX-50, and so forth.
Every other tank reloads slower, for tanks it’s usually 1 - 3 seconds depending on the reload.
I am not going to complain about a 6 second reload that has allegedly unedited video proving it, a third party document substantiating it, and it being among the fastest in War Thunder, only beaten by Japan.
Not really.
In the latest update, both the T-54 and Bat-Chat/AMX 50-90 got their reload buffed in exchange of a higher BR.
Sure it doesn’t really make sense to complain about something that isn’t totally bad, but the idea here is to make at least one aspect of the Leclerc competitive for it has none right now.
Probably the worst armour, not the best mobility, not the best reload, not the best at anything so why would we bother play it while it’s literally worse at everything ?
I think giving the Leclers 5sec realod would put it in perfect place. On top their upper front plate is innacurate , but reload would help by much.
I dont understand why T80 BVM have speed , armor , good gun , decent reload , 50% of ammor suriviving direct with one drawback bad depression.
Its actually only Russian tanks having armor + STRV122 everything else is paper when it comes to hull.
Leclerc currently has the 3rd fastest reload at top BRs.
BVM has the 3rd “worst” armor at top. Leclerc has worse, and Ariete is the worst.
Reload isn’t top 5.
Gun is “identical” to Leclerc’s gun, namely in penetration.
@ehj78
AMX had their reloads fixed* which resulted in the BR change, not the other way around.
Having the 2nd best reload at top BR is still fast.
Armor is the verifiable thing we all know is incorrect.
Leclerc can get better armor than T-80BVM, it’s just a matter of providing the correct evidence for implementation.
3rd one.
Type-10 is the first, Challenger 2 series are the second.
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It also matches Leo and Abrams Ariette when they have ace`d crew .
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