Because I have the Leopard 2A7HU for Italy? Because I have the Centauro? I’ve played the Leopard 2A4 because it’s in Italy, Sweden, and I have the premium for Germany. Currently I am about to get the Grippen for Hungary, and I own the Grippen for Sweden, so I know it flies the same. Like mate, it’s not rocket science.
Lmao. Sure two gripens in different TTs fly the same but Leopard 2s from different TTs perform totally different.
Yeah, because the Stridsvagn is basically just a 2A6 with a Tex-Mex package and a shorter barrel, and arguably a worse round, with no proxy round to hit helicopters with. That’s the difference between that and two JAS 39Cs with the only difference being one is Hungarian. Oh, actually, Britain and Thai Grippens are different: Britain gets renamed Derbies and the Thai gets AIM 120Bs. Doesn’t change the fact they fly the exact same way.
They do perform differently- although which is better is up in the air. The Strv122 basically has better slightly better armor than the Leo2A7 and better mobility, but not as good thermals or apfsds. Still, both get the job done.
If there was only Leopard 2 with the same gun but without the armor package.
Like 2A5.
Depends on which specific variants you want to compare.
How did this go from “Benelux poor” to Swedish Leopards
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Mate, you might as well just stop. You never once played the Stridsvagn. You can flaunt your Wikipedia reading all you want, but the fact of the matter is you have no credibility to how the Stridsvagn plays. I do. I’ve played it, I’ve done low level tournaments and won some money with it. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s not some blessing of God. It’s not the greatest thing since sliced bread. It’s an average Leopard, it’s an average tank. Sweden is average. Anything Sweden can do, you can find better in Italy and Germany.
Show me german uparmored 2A5 with MEXAS beak included.
Or top tier german AA that can hold same amount of ready to fire missiles as Ito.
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Wow… the JAS39C or the JAS39C (Hungarian), or even the JAS39C (Thai), or better yet: JAS39C (South Africa). Totally a massive difference. The only one that gets the worst Grippen is Sweden, who gets the JAS39A. Technically you could say South Africa gets shafted because Darters, but they’re great close range anyways.
Also, wow… VT1s versus… VT1s… that’s a pickle. I cannot tell what is better? On one hand the VT1 can go a guaranteed 11km, but on the other hand, the VT1 can do 50gs. Darn. I guess both are the same exact same.
Also, cool. The Stridsvagn gets the Guatemala package. So bloody cool. We get it, you love the Virgin Islands package, it’s the greatest thing ever. We’ll give it the Nobel Peace Prize for being so awesome, because it totally does something in game, and isn’t just a prop that doesn’t do what it supposedly is supposed to do, according to Wikipedia.
I mean his opinion is invalid across the board since France and Sweden are not a good comparison
Yes both nations have amazing winrate
Sweden has the best leopards in the game plus you get 3 of them with spall liner
Slurpjerk 95 is still really good but yeah doesn’t compare to dm 53 spall wise
From experience sweden air is a pain in the ass until you get to the viggens
And yes the viggen isn’t the best plane but the ja37 C and D are amazing planes for their br because you get a proper radar and 2 decently good fox 1
For ground the grind is awful at low br until you reach 7.0
Now lets talk about France
France despite its high winrate it has the second worse top tier tank in the game
Why you may ask
Well OFL 120 F1 is the worse performing apfsds in the game despite being one of the fastest
The leclerc has awful amor protection overall
The only good things i can give it is the mobility and turret traverse
The grind for france ground is absolutely miserable until you get to 5.0
7.0 to 8.0 is where france shines
For air the grind is ok
The mirages are great planes especially the 2000c and 5F
Then you have the rafale which is unmatched
Play style wise france and Sweden do not compare
And its pretty obvious why
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Because German main over here thinks he knows more about the country I mained for a year, just because he read Wikipedia.
Flakrad gets 2 ready to fire missiles with 10 sec reload delay between next set; Ito gets 8 ready to fire missiles that can fire.
If you dont think thats massive difference in capability you are as shallow as i suspected.
It literally massively improves the UFP protection of Strvs 122 over 2A5 and 2A6.
I mean this was originally benelux thread which is why i came here.
Its also severely outdated when compared to other sabots of other nations.
Otherwise yea, Leclercs seem to be in bad spot right now.
Finally, someone in this thread that makes sense. Thank you.
Unfortunately, France and Britain are countries on the game that get unjustifiably nerfed hard simply because Britain and France have the better players. People want to talk win rates, but do not recognise it is the players that play them that artificially raise and lower won rates. France and Britain gets punished for doing well, so they need the tanks (see Fox for example), but yet French and British players rise from the ashes, and continue to resist nerfs. I guarantee you, if you put a Chally main in a Leopard 2A7, he himself will raise the win-lose ratio for Germany by a percent.
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Mate, if you need to fire all eight rounds at once at something, that might mean you are just bad. There’s zero need to use all VT1s right away. You’re not supposed to be fighting tanks with it. You’re supposed to sit back, fire a missile at a plane, drone, or heli, and call it a day. Ten seconds to reload isn’t that bad, especially since you’re supposed to be firing at planes from far away. If a plane or heli is within ten seconds of you, you failed as a SPAA.
Here we go again, with the Peruvian upgrade. It’s not that impressive. Seriously. It’s not. A Leopard is a Leopard. You put a round in the side, and it blows up. Target Destroyed. End of. You fire at the turret ring, the Leopard is sad. End of. It’s a bloody Leopard at the end of the day, no matter if it gets a FedEx or UPS package.
Lol, i was giving you the benefit of the doubt this whole time, but by the looks of things, you’ve barely played Sweden at all. It looks like you bought your way to top tier and never spaded anything- unless you just bought the mods too.
Also your SPAA take is truly terrible. The ItO is leagues better than the flak.
Strv 121: WL ratio of 51%, 324 eliminations to 29 deaths.
Strv 122A: WL ratio of 44%, 233 elims to 12 deaths
Strv 122B+: WL ratio of 56% 199 elims to 12 deaths
ItO 90M: WL ratio of 42% 79 elims to 13 deaths
Also, I spaded everything. All of my tanks. Didn’t buy a single attachment. Also, as I said earlier, I’ve done low level tournaments. I use them more in customs.
If you absolutely want to test me and my knowledge, I am more than happy to 1v1 you. Realistic or Sim. Your choice. I’m picking the map though.
Yeah, I know the ItO is far better. I just wanted to irritate the German main. His only source for the Stridsvagn being OP is Wikipedia. I’m not taking him seriously when he relies on TikTok to make his argument.
why are you commenting on performance of vehicle, that being FlakRakRad, you never played? getting your opinions from tiktok, sweden main?
Ah yes, difference between being able to get lolpenned into the hull by every top tier round vs. being able to withstand a hit from DM53 fired from L/55 is not impressive whatsoever.
You have no point here, that applies to literally any tank.
the difference is with Strv122/2A7 you are forced to go for the turret ring; with 2A5/2A6 you can go for the turret ring but why would you when you can just fire in the general direction of the hull. This makes massive difference in TTK in favor of Strv122/2A7.
im not going to derail this topic about BeNeLux vehicles further by responding you on matter of Leo2s. Respond if you want, not going to reply more.