I don’t care about your kdr in the plane that doesn’t really matter and is different from player to player but what’s interesting is that it’s NOT worse than your kdr as a player which would be expected to be higher than your kdr in the plane you’re calling “awful”.
Stop trying to use stats.
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Just saying it is a bloody great aircraft.
Just many other twin engines - you dont want to be in a dogfight, especially alone.
Examples are - mosquito, hornet, me410, ta-154, f7f, p61 . . . . . .
The Mosquito is actually quite maneuverable and has four hispanos that really work wonders. The Mollins is only for goats like Ilcr0ssil, Zmigol or H_UE.
The Me410 is not a fighter, it’s an attack aircraft.
The Hornet is insane and it does in fact outdogfight the ki83 in an air rb scenario by staying above 500ias where it negates ki83’s usage of flaps and where compression starts kicking in.
The Ta154 has better head on potential.
The F7F outdogfights the ki83 by so many margins by simply being responsive.
The P61 is armed to the teeth and has better guns.
The P38s are some of the best dogfighters in the game.
The F82 has great high speed maneuverability and can easily make a ki83 lock up and overshoot.
All of these planes listed above are also faster than the ki83 and don’t suffer from high airspeed drag. They accelerate better in dives. And still I find the f7f better than the ki83 because unlike ki83 the f7f meets the 5.7-6.7 criteria of being fast and maneuver decently above 600kmh ias. THings that neither of is the ki83. Why would it matter to climb like a monster if you lose all kinetic energy in a dime the moment you go up for sole drag? The J5N1 is dogshit and it’s better for air RB for the sole fact it can reach 800 ias much quicker while the ki83 slowly reaches the brick wall at 750 if you don’t have an enemy on your six catching up. Because it can.
Are they now shit because they cant beat a yak in a 1v1? - no.
No, they’re not shit except the f7f which is a gunboat with half of the performance that the statcards provide. The Ki83 is not just a gunboat too, it’s a slow, fragile and draggy gunboat whose guns don’t gun.
just because i have high KDR doesn’t mean the plane is good, it means that i’ve gotten good enough at the game to play it in a way i can achieve 3 kills per game at least without dying nor being a rat.
I played the n1k in air rb where it is objectively bad and got to 4.6kd in it long after spading it. Does it mean it’s good’ No, absolutely not. It’s slower than the zero and needs to stay above 6km of altitude to actually perform decently and yet it is slower than a spitfire lf mk9 choking itself at the same altitude.
I’m 3KD on the Alpha Jet A i just complained about, does it mean it’s a good plane? No. It feels like a worse la-15 with more roll rate and one of the worst guns in the game (the german Mauser is different from the swedish Mauser) and sits at 8.7 because ground RB, and even yet after implementing dynamic battle ratings between air and ground, it still sits at 8.7. Had the gun been actually good? I would probably 7kd because most of the times i died was for sparking on an enemy that went back to rearm and killed me after because i couldn’t kill the other five people left for the same reason.
My KD on spitfires is bad. Yes? Yes, I play spitfires braindeadly while I play objectively poor performing aircraft more methodically (because they’re bad yknow). But if I pick one and play with more than 10 percent of my brain i can easily score a 6 kill game without playing like a rat. Just as the time I made the “spitfires are the best props in the game” and got to get a 6 kill game on the spitfire lf mk9 to counter the forecoming “ur bad mantis just dies to plane and copes about it here”
is the f-5e goated because it has energy retention? No, it doesn’t mean anything. A plane with two 20mm plinkers and two 15g missiles (trust me they don’t pull 20) at a BR where everyone is already carrying six all aspect missiles while being 500kmh faster is just the zero all over again except it has no armament. The AIM9J’s were absolutely busted before they got changed to the large gimbal without radar enslave. I was having an absolute blast killing MIG29’s head on with them and launching them side aspect seeing them completely ignore flares while the M39’s would basically one click tap the enemies i just saw and that’s how i forged my 4.7kd (now 3.7kd because m39s got nerfed along the aim9j’s making the f-5e a gun only aircraft that can’t gunfight) And I still keep thriving except with four kill assists instead of four kills per game, why? Because people keep doing a 180 and airbrake the moment they merge with the first enemy.
Is the ki83 good because it climbs the best while having airspawn? No. It is slow, it is fragile, it handles like a boat above 500kmh and has worse linear retention than an am1 pulling out the airbrake.
I’ve never said that. It’s the fact that your KDR in the plane isn’t worse than your average KDR.
For example if I see someone with a KDR of 0.5 having a KDR of 1 in a certain plane I would say the plane is probably good because his KDR in that plane is higher than his average KDR eventhough the KDR of the plane isn’t overwhelmingly good.
you say that “kdr doesn’t indicate if a plane is good” but then you admit you think whether a plane is good or not by looking at kdr
amazing.
read again and try to understand. It’s not that hard.
yeah i read it, and i didn’t understand well what you mean, because i understood that you was saying that kd is a good guidance for how good is an aircraft was a flawed thought process, when what you said is actually that you pay attention to the KD of someone’s specific vehicle and compare to their overall kd which is surprisingly even more flawed.
People learn to play, ykno. Because on your logic, the Ta152C-3 is a better plane than the fw190 Dora because i’m 2.5kd on the C3 while i’m barely 1.1 on the Dora, right? Despite the Dora out climbs, out dives, out paces, out turns, out rolls and outrates the c3 and sits at a BR below. The Ta152C is barely playable, and i learned it after playing the dora because in essence i’ts just a worse dora with none of the dora’s excellent high speed attributes. Now I go on a dora match and get a 6 kill game barely affecting my 1.1kd hundred battles. Does that even matter?
let’s name the KDR of the player PKDR and the KDR the player has in a vehicle VKDR. If the VKDR is higher than the PKDR then it’s a good indicator that the plane is good.
There are interceptor variants and that was its original role as well.
No.
For example if I see someone with a KDR of 0.5 having a KDR of 1 in a certain plane I would say the plane is probably good because his KDR in that plane is higher than his average KDR eventhough the KDR of the plane isn’t overwhelmingly good.
That’s a weird assumption ngl. Game replay and general playstyle matters more than KDR, even then, KPB is better than KDR since you can just skew your KDR by killing AI planes
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Just touch some grass good damn. If I had a dollar for every time you made these I’d be rich. I’ve only ever made 1 thread of me being annoyed and even then it was more of a question than anything.
your account is literally private. Somehow i see you in every post i make, meaning you are very likely active on the forum all day OR expecting me to post something. Ah the irony.
or like usmc guys do, they kill 4 people on meta defining aircraft like do335 b2 and then go to another air battle.
That, or farming CAS players bombing while you’re on bad aircraft playing ground RB
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the main issue of the ki83 is how painfully draggy it is. This means it doesn’t have any linear retention whatsoever and cannot pick up speed nor zoom up regardless how many advantages it has. “it has 30m/s climb rate”, yeah, so does the p38k and the hornet. And these are faster.