Then let’s just give the Su-30SM 12x Vikhrs as it doesn’t need anything more than that
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Thanks for sharing your opinion but I disagree.
Easy to ignore people’s arguments when you just “disagree” with them tbh.
You’re in constant denial, but you’re biased so that’s to be expected.
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Its clear that there are propaganda purposes to all of this modern russian stuff, especially when they were popularized by a certain situation happening in real life. Things like the 38MT and Pantsir are so on the nose i really cant think of any other explanation…
That’s a decent change, as not everything needs to have everything. 30SM without IR missiles would be fine.
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It’s the least agile top tier fighter and dumps all its speed in two turns. F-15E/I, F-16C/A OCU, Typhoon and Rafale all run circles around it. Not a great platform to use beamriding AGMs from.
I don’t really get the complaints about the timeline. The Su-25SM3 was added way after the F-16C was already in game, which could do CAS just as good while also being able to fly CAP.
9 months or whatnot is also not really a long time for something to be “OP” (and I’d argue that the Su-25SM3 never was, but anyways) on the scale of this game. HVARs on Sabres were the best CAS by far for more than a year, it took half a year to add an SPAA that could shoot the AH-1Z down, it took more than a year to add some sort of equivalent to the FJ-4B VMF 232 and so on.
and?
Still outperforms any Strike aircraft by a million miles in terms of FM.
Why does it need KH-38MT or even KH-38MLs when something like the Tornado Gr4 only has SAL brimstone 1s or PGMs
Because the Pantsir existed for 2 years and most nations lacked the SPAA performance to do anything against a Su-25 firing KH-29s and yes ,they also lacked the performance to deal with an F-16, but at least an F-16 had to defend against a Pantsir most of the time and that could and actually fight back rather well and AGM-65s have a fraction of the performance a KH-38 has, if nothing else, AGM-65 does not have IOG, which means smoke is a hard counter. KH-38… it will still kill 75% of the time.
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You say teh Su25 SM3 isn’t played because it is terrible in every mode, but I raise you:
(It’s still not great tho)
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Isn’t the only other top tier striker the F15 and SU34 ?
And in it’s surely not miles better than the F15 FM.
Tornado also is lower BR and even 12.3 is too high for it.
Arguably because it is at a significantly higher BR. I would not push for removing weapons, otherwise once Brimstones are unfucked, folk will just get those removed. We really should just be suggesting the addition of counters. Arguably longer range maps + longer range sams would resolve the problem.
38s are very useful for sim air to ground, from my little foray into it recently. Would not be entirely thrilled if ground got it stolen from me.
The point is, the only nation that has ANYTHING even close to the KH-38MT in terms of performance is france with the AASM.
Su-30 and Su-34 would not suffer with only KH-38ML and KH-29 for FnF. Would still probably be the best CAS because they dont have to fight Pantsirs ever.
And Typhoon being denied its historically accurate Brimstone variant because its too OP but the Su-34 and Su-30 and Su-25 getting a fictional weapon which outperforms everything is just major bias
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Except Brimstones exist.
KH-38MT doesnt.
Thats the difference though.
And the Tornado GR4 being anything higher than 11.7 means its facing against any 12.7 and soon 13.0 CAS anyway. It might as well be the same BR because its not going to change a thing
If I run a 12.3 lineup for the GR4 I will face Su-30SMs 100% of the time, I might as well run the Typhoon instead.
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The F-15E is a strike aircraft, so no. Besides that I don’t get why you’re comparing it with strike aircraft, the distinction is almost artificial at top tier and you’re competing with the most viable CAS and CAP planes. Or did you mistype and were talking about the Su-25SM3 instead of the Su-30SM? I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make.
I’d much fly an F-16C against a Pantsir than a Su-25SM against an F-16C. The F16 dictates the engagement in both scenarios, and it’s a fight it should easily win if flown by a competent pilot.
AGM-65s are worse of course, but the planes flight performance makes up for that.
Not the best CAS, but viable, sure. Not comparable to 12 Vikhrs though.
Unless I am mistaken, the 38MT’s only difference is the modular seeker being swapped for an IR seeker. Similar to the 25ML having a variant with an IR seeker. We do not have very clear documentation of either being fielded on account of how recently they’ve been pushed into production.
Su-34 more than anything else, but people make the argument the Su-34 needs KH-38MT because its a bad aircraft and it needs OP missiles to be balanced.
If that argument holds then the Tornado GR4 which was added in teh same update, should have LOAL Spear-3s
You also have the F-18 being denied AGM-84 SLAM
Pantsir costs 70 SP and the F-16C costs 700+. Thats the core difference here though.
Brimstone 1s practically are.
thats the point I was trying to make, the nerfs to the Typhoon would be the same as limiting the Su-34 and Su-30 to Vikhrs because its actual weapons are too good
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So far, all evidence suggests the IR seeker was marketed and then canceled and was never even tested.
If that is enough, then we could get HEAT warhead ground attack ASRAAMs for the Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon
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Purely because ground attack ASRAAMs on a harrier sound cool, I say we keep both.
If we aren’t gonna get a brimstone harrier, at least we could get this abomination.