I used to troll with ka50 when it was still op to show this absurd, I would go in and cap a point with bt7 (which was easy on majority of maps), then I just sit there and damage some random tank/bmp (sometimes even got a kill lmao) and instantly J out to spawn with 12 vikhrs in like 2 minutes after game starts…
now its even more cancer because you can spawn with op f&f agms
no the problem is they are using blatantly OP missiles that dont exist lmao, I fail to see how people cant grasp that concept.
its been over a year and still no other A2G weapon has come close to being as OP as the MT… almost like it was added way to soon
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it was the same with r27er, completely fake stats (still are) and we didnt get anything equivalent/better for a looong time
Su-34 has been able to defend itself since forever, so has the Su-25SM3 via the R-73s, but do point out to me where I said “it’s a problem”, I think you’ll find that between the two of us, it’s only you who has brought it up.
The problem is that other nations actally have to worry about both CAP and SPAAs, whereas Russia only has to worry about being potentially CAPed - that is the difference that YOU are failing to account for when arguing how badly Russia has it, and how they NEED to be able to fire off their MTs from 15km+ and then go back to their AF.
I’ve been actively playing the Pantsir recently, and the difference in how much effort the two opposite sides have to put in to perform is at a level of a JOKE, one spawns, gets free kills, the other spawns and immediately has to defend itself (even if I can’t/don’t kill them, I still force them into a position where they can’t do anything).
Add to that how MT is pretty much fake, and it’s very much a “whew lad” moment.
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Denying you said it doesn’t really work when I can just quote you, you know?
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The point of a forum is to exchange opinions and argue if you disagree. If you don’t want replies why are you posting here?
Cheers to you using kills per time as argument to call something OP for the third time. If you think being able to do that is overpowered it would be advisible to not single out one weapon system, otherwise it just looks like bias.
If an enemy is camping your airspawn or paying attention you won’t be getting many missiles off, maybe none if you can’t find ground targets. Being able to perform CAP duty in the same plane is also worth a lot.
And where am I saying they’re OP only because of that? You’re creating a narrative just so you can argue against it, so, strawman.
Cheers to you using kills per time as argument to call something OP for the third time.
Oh ok, I see. You just want to feel like you’ve won an argument on the internet.
XD
It’s the only reason you gave in the posts, so it’s not like there’s any room for interpretation.
Please point out the reasons you gave for the KH-38MT being OP in the post I initially quoted. Besides someone getting six kills in 15 seconds, that is.
I’d probably be fine with CAP planes keeping the airspawn, but especially at lower BRs the distinction between CAS and CAP becomes very blurry, so that might not work well.
No, it’s a reason, but you can see that’s it’s in a completely separate sentence that is disconnected from the one where I’m calling the weapon OP.
You latched onto it, put 2 + 2 together and made it equal 5 just so you could say I claimed it’s OP because it can get kills quickly, even AFTER I clarified later on that it isn’t the only or sole reason why I think the weapon is OP. You never even asked me to expand on why I think it’s OP, you just assumed my initial post gave all the info you needed to strawman me and went for it.
So anyways, you’ve won this internet argument, you managed to argue against a point made only by you, and you defeated the pretend argument, good for you :>
edit: btw, this is enough off-topic now tbh, i’m ending the fun here (not to hurt your feelings or anything, cus you’ve done that yourself).
So you’re writing a post with two sentences, one calling the weapon OP and one stating that someone got 6 kills in 15 seconds. And the reader is supposed to believe that these two statements are disconnected, completely seperate and unrelated to each other? That doesn’t make any sense and isn’t how language works.
If you’re trying yourself out as an absurdist author you should put a disclaimer below your posts, otherwise people might get the idea that they’re supposed to be coherent.
Anyone arguing they KH-38MT is balanced is kinda insane and if they think that it is balanced, then they should have no issue with the Typhoon getting Meteor missiles. But just in case anyone doesn’t understand, let me explain.
When the Su-25SM3 was added, most nations did not have a top tier SPAA that could effectively defend against an Su25 firing KH-29s, let alone KH-38s. Thankfully cap did hard counter the Su25SM3 fairly quickly when they added ARH but it was still a bad decision to add it in the first place without adding Pantsir equivalents to everyone first. Heck 2 nations don’t even have a top tier SAM, period.
then they add the Su-34, in the same update that they made a big song and dance about the Brimstone being too OP and unfair on the other teams because they wouldn’t be able to fight back. The sheer hypocrisy was actually painful. Compared to aircraft like the Tornado, the Su34 is a highly capable aircraft and able to defend itself just fine. Still no Pantsir level SPAA were added.
Then they added the Typhoon with a variant of the Brimstone it never used instead of the variant it did actually use which would have had comparable kinematics to the KH-38, but nope, was considered too OP to give the Typhoon a comparable missile because it would outrange things too much. Though the Rafale did get the AASM which is the closest we’ve gotten to a KH-38 alternative, only 9 months later.
Then they added the Su30SM, and even more capable aircraft and a true multirole, still has KH-38MTs and the F-18C added alongside it doesn’t even get it’s comprable weapon in the form of the AGM-84 SLAM. No nation has gotten a better SPAA yet
The KH-38 is fast, has a huge warhead and has the longest range. It even has IOG which nullifies smoke greatly. No SPAA can be used to defend against except maybe the Pantsir which it never faces.
Now it turns out it’s a paper weapon, is just a further insult to injury
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tbh funny, since it got raised a lot quite quick
couldnt be put any better way, yet I can already see into the future when I look back here in an hour your gonna have 2 to 3 messages from a particular set of people that will try and claim your wrong. I’m willing to bet by either saying there are already fake vics in game or that asking for brimstones makes you worse.
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Because it was seeing downtiers where it didn’t face ARH
Or that Brimstones are better cus they’re on a better platform. Atp there needs to be a bingo-card for arguments Kh-38MT defenders use.
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I can’t wait for them to justify why the GR4 can’t get Brimstone 2s but the Su-30SM needs something stronger than a KH-29
Because not all vehicles have the same requirements for their A2G ordnance to make them viable ?
That’s like saying why doesn’t tank A get darts (and is stuck with something else for example) if tank B gets it at the same BR.
Gaijin appends BR on vehicles as a whole, their weapons are just the part of the equation.
im about ARH spawn cost
Oh right, yeah, why AAMa cost anything is just hilarious and criminal
Su-25SM3 never needed MTs to be viable, it was already good enough in its primary strike aircraft role with just MLs, as we can see by dozens of videos on youtube ;)
Same story with Su-34 & 30SM, because god forbid they’ll have to put in more effort (while still sitting outside of enemy SPAA coverage) into getting kills.
Oh, worried about CAP? Dw, I am too in my EFT, everyone is. Difference is you’ll still get 4 to 6 kills before a CAP jet gets you, and I have a good chance of getting none.
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