The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[MotorolaCRO]

The only double standard here is complaining about 38MT and the fact not all nations have the equivalent to it, all the while not caring about other nations not having M247 equivalents.

[dedale_stargate]

@MotorolaCRO

The only double standard here is complaining about 38MT

it’s not a double standard, it’s called being on topic

If you want to complain about M247 and its absence in other trees, you can make a thread on your own

[MotorolaCRO]

@dedale_stargate

it’s not a double standard

Yes it is when you aren’t complaining about similar cases found somewhere else. It’s even worse when you try to sweep that under the rug as it’s involving a non-USSR nation.

[maguumo]

@sudo_su1

Yes, but the point is that the Kh-38MT seems to be more of a proposal at this point

The post I replied to, as well as hundred of others, was about “balancing” though. I agree that it would be better if those posts, as well as all the off topic complaints and whatnot, were removed, but moderation probably wouldn’t be able to keep up with that. So I thought might as well reply to one of them instad of leaving it up completely uncontested.
Having to read through 3700 posts, with >90% being off topic garbage, makes it quite hard and time consuming to figure out the actual state of the discussion about how “real” the Kh-38MT is.

@sudo_su1

Plus there are other advantages that Su-30SM has
Such as more missiles, longer range missiles and not facing Pantsir …

Longer range missiles are mostly irrelevant for GRB, I’ve barely ever ran out of the six missiles when flying CAP and the Pantsir is usually only a problem if you don’t really know what you’re doing in any of the capable CAS jets.

[Kir]

Or Gaijin just removes IOG/GPS from ALL IR AGMs. That would give ground players an actual reliable counter as well, if they’re lucky enough to see them coming in the first place.

[Smugspite]

rich coming from you lmao 3 matches this week the same as sudo lmao

[MotorolaCRO]

@Kir_-_

That would give ground players an actual reliable counter as well, if they’re lucky enough to see them coming in the first place.

No it wouldn’t as ground players don’t really look what’s happening 10-15km away on the sky. The only real solution that benefits the ground player is to remove all FnF weapons and heavily limit the spawn requirements for CAS.

[mineLo]

and once again this thread devolves into a D comparing contest.

[MotorolaCRO]

You’re acting like 38MT and other IRs have been added last week so I couldn’t gather opinions on them already.

He on the other hand has like 100 battles in total while only using 1.0 planes. I bet he gained a lot of knowledge from doing that.

[Thenighthunter]

@MotorolaCRO

Launching missiles outside the range of your target lock is simply not viable, especially if you have limited amount of them.
So saying they are “20km missiles” is borderline fake advertisement.

[USthunder]

Anything new in the past 2-3 days, or is the general consensus still that the Seeker Head didn’t quite exist?

[Alpharius11348]

absolutely no new evidence

so yeah probably didnt exist

[USthunder]

Ight sounds good, thanks.

[maguumo]

Those are not the ranges at which you can acquire a TRACK lock against tank sized targets in game.

[sudo_su1]

@maguumo

Pantsir is usually only a problem if you don’t really know what you’re doing in any of the capable CAS jets.

Again, I think the difference in opinions is due to the difference in game modes

SPAA gameplay is mostly the same in RB and SB, but aircraft gameplay is quite a bit more difficult, especially in regards to CAS

[DevilO6]

Can confirm. In ground Sim Roland turns from a meh sam to a absolute menace

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@MythicPi

Now, the evidence for the missile NOT existing:

Funny.

@MythicPi

Mockup of Kh-38MT photographed at MAKS 2009:

This not mockup of Kh-38MT. This is mockup of Kh-38ME. Seeker is not specified. Mockup IS NOT evidence that missile IS NOT existing.

@MythicPi

2. Mockups of the Kh-38MT have never been seen in the “new” Kh-38M layout seen at MAKS 2017. Notice the new clipped wings for internal storage in the T-50/Su-57, replacing the old folding wings seen on the older mockups of the Kh-38M’s.

MAKS 2017 Kh-38MLE:

This is mockup of Kh-38ME with thermal seeker.

@MythicPi

3. The Kh-38MT has never been said to have been used in combat despite the Kh-38ML being used extensively

Many missiles were never used in combat, but that does not mean they did not exist.

@MythicPi

4. Afaik, even the mockup for the Kh-38MT has been absent from defense expos for years, if not over a decade (last picture I have a solid date on is from 2009)

This is not true. Anyone with eyes will see the differences between thermal and laser versions.
Kh-38ME with thermal seeker

Spoiler

Kh-38ME with laser seeker

Spoiler

@MythicPi

The in-game model for the Kh-38MT is not even based on any mockups of the Kh-38MT, it uses the model of the MAKS 2017 Kh-38MLE (SALH seeker)

Clearly not true and disinformation.

It is surprising how warmly the topic was received, much of it “proof of non-existence” being untrue, disinformation and misleading.

[MotorolaCRO]

This is what happens when you trust random docs you found on the internet or when you misinterpret them.
I just tested 38MT and no way in hell that you can get a target lock outside 13km, let alone close to 20km.

[sudo_su1]

The 20km is against target with max “signature”.
Different types of vehicles have different signatures in the game.

But yes, the practical lock range is not 20km (though, for example against the SPAA you could lock the ground underneath it, since the SPAAs often do not move, and the Kh-38 also gets there quite quickly).

[Thenighthunter]

They are it’s just at a range of 20kms you begin to have issues with terrain and map issues. I have been able to get a 20km lock with even a maverick not that the anemic performance of the missile did much for it. I believe the issue is LOD I would often see tanks phasing in and out of the ground around that range which leads me to believe that is the issue. I had less issues locking onto boats at that range even speed boats.

Usually around 12km you will have favorable locks on tanks. sometimes more depending on the map.