B-b-b-but it isnt my 20km mach 2 top attack missile that lets me bully anybody that doesnt have a 18km sam!!!
/j
I’m much late to this, but I also only fly 6xBrim + 4x PW4s. I do not see a point in taking more Brims when I find PW4s to honestly be more effective (considering they can be dropped at speeds above M 1.0), and then I just use the 6x AMRAAM + 2x IR.
Tbh, at this point my “CAS” loadout is just “CAP but can also do CAS if needed” lol.
It’s off topic indeed, but I was just trying to say how we’re going to deal with guesstimated vehicles and weapons in the future and there’s no way of escaping that, of course if you don’t want to stop adding vehicles until they’re 100% correctly implemented.
We don’t know what Gaijin thinks about that, but in my opinion SM3 and SU-34 definitely needed some help which definitely came along with 38MTs.
@Smugspite
38ML is a laser guided missile and definitely isn’t on par with 38MT, especially on platforms that simply cannot survive CAP attacks.
It has the same seeker as other IR missiles found at top tier, so it acquires target lock from the same distance.
another crazy thing none of those planes need the MT to be good, if things like the tornado Gr4 with PGM500s can do fine against pantsirs with one of the slowest missiles at top tier you can do fine with KH-29Ds or KH-38MLs
No it has a 3rd gen thermal with 25x zoom. While the target lock is set the same across the board. Other missiles preform a much less favorable from the ranges the 38MT can enjoy.
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difference is that its mach 2 unlike every other missile at that br oh and has IOG meaning even if it loses lock it will still most likely hit which even with a near miss will kill due it its massive HE warhead
but no do keep trying to say its balanced and that russia should keep a fantasy missile
Using single games to demonstrate if something is balanced or not is always a terrible argument. I count 11 potential Kh-38MT kills by your team. Here’s one of the better Rafale games I had:
Srsly u want to viable this for a missile xD?
He’s posting SB battle results
You’re posting RB battle results
It’s generally much easier to do CAS in ground RB than it is in ground SB
Since In RB you have markers for friendly tanks and you can use third person view and mouse aim
There is really no contest between Kh-38MT and AASM
Kh-38MT is much faster and has more energy which means:
1- Less chance of losing track by enemies passing behind obstacles or going into cover (intentionally or as is usually the case, unintentionally)
2- Less chance of target getting killed by other tanks on the ground or other friendly aircrafts and you ending up with a wasted missile (well unless they also have Kh-38 and launch before you)
3- It can loft more and dive from "more steep’ trajectories, making it harder for the SPAA to intercept it, and the fact that the best SPAA is on the red side doesn’t help it either; Overall I rarely if ever see Kh-38s getting intercepted by the SPAA.
4- It can maneuver more sharply allowing for better “off-boresight” capability than AASM, and allowing for better Pk against aerial targets such as aircrafts and helicopters.
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Gr4 has a dozen+ Brimstones to use as well to oversaturate any AA.
Gr4 in it’s current state is definitely not a worse package overall than SM3.
IOG isn’t really anything new and limited to 38MT.
@Thenighthunter
Launching missiles outside the range of your target lock is simply not viable, especially if you have limited amount of them.
So saying they are “20km missiles” is borderline fake advertisement.
Do you even play the game ?
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I doubt it judging by your profile.
Until the IR PGMs came along the 38MT was the only IR AGM with IOG. Currently only the 38MT, IR PGMs and AASM have IR + IOG. Thats 3/10 Nations with access to IR + IOG AGMs.
Pretending its a universal thing/not significant is just wrong. IR Missiles without IOG self-destruct if they loose lock, those with still have a chance to hit
Missed that, my bad. Can’t talk about SIM, I have no experience in the mode.
There’s also no contest between the Rafale and the Su-30SM. You trade a weaker but still incredibly potent AGM for a more capable platform to fire them from. I honestly don’t see the “unbalance”. I have a higher match impact (and fun) playing the Rafale.
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We would be in for a wild ride if we wanted to give each nation the same things across the BRs.
The “where our IR + IOG” request could branch out into seemingly endless requests across the game, which is why asymmetrical balancing exists.
Yes, but the point is that the Kh-38MT seems to be more of a proposal at this point
Plus even if we accept that it exists or that the marketing material is enough for the missile’s existence, there’s still no proof of Su-30SM carrying it or being compatible with it …
Plus there are other advantages that Su-30SM has
Such as more missiles, longer range missiles and not facing Pantsir …
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Watch out, many posters here think that missiles aren’t attached to planes and are an entity of their own, which obviously isn’t true.
what happened to giving everyone m247 equivalents?
or do you not see the double standard there?
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