The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

what IR cam u referencing here?

asraam and aim9x have 128x128

read the rest rq

FLIR pods are so expnesive because they are build in limited numbers which increases cost, while they also have to follow strict regulations and making stuff fully redundant

you can get away with lower standarts on a missile you are going to blow up anyways
ASRAAM for example costs 200k$

hmm fair enough
so
does it exist?
no one will ever know atleast until 2030

All depends if that camera helps you destroy something worth millions or to attack something worthless such as a chicken coop.

Assuming the low amount of produced missiles, I think it’d cost them less money in the end than designing really good TGP for all of their older vehicles.
It also helps with the export in countries that also have dated tech.

Below you have a table with their SD and HD options.

The document claims they’re MTEs.
The seeker head is angled downward on both of them.

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This is certainly the closest we’ve seen that seeker on an aircraft.

I have no opinion on this matter at this time.

And despite that, it’s seen both are angled downward.

Do not dismiss the evidence.

There is a reason my only opinions posted here are “Let’s wait for evidence.” and “Let’s correct the seekers of Hammer and Kh-38MT to be more accurate to how they should be.” Two opinions based on evidence.

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I said that earlier, the one the right seems to be pointing downwards (more so than the one on the left). I’m not dismissing it at all. The lowres aspect is just there because, well, it is lol.

that is a case of persepctive at work

considering any military budget that’s foolish.

having a high res camera on your PGM is valuable for accurate target identification, tracking and overall guidance but we need to be realistic that there is a point of diminishing results, which you are seeing with a seeker with better resolution than ASRAAMs do

imo i dont really care if this image is real or not, mock ups and test rigs get put on planes all the time for testing and advertising. No AIM-152 variant was actually built and tested yet we have these pictures:
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also was the criteria it has to have been test fired? I dont think gaijin accept mock ups that were just attached to the plane (otherwise we would have a LOT of stuff in game that never got past mock ups)

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afaik for weapons yes it needs to have been test fired and for vehicles parts should have been produced at least.

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It’s nice to see some hard data, but it makes things almost certain that the Seeker is improperly implemented, based on these numbers.

The “Self Homing Head Sensitivity” assmed to be noise equivalent temperature difference (NE∆T) of 270 Milli-Kelvin (mK) is ridiculously high for a “third generation” system, let alone requiring a 4 kelvin difference to provide sufficient contrast for a track to be maintained, needing “16 units” of contrast Is not great, especially for a brochure means that they’re not using a Histogram or other contrast stretching techniques to improve performance the same way the IIR/ CCD Maverick or many other Electro-Optical systems do.

claims that NE∆T values of 25~35 mK can be expected of an Cooled InSb Focal plane Array (AMBER Radiance I)

Our cameras, having a noise equivalent temperature difference (NE∆T) of only 25 mK, can detect extremely small variations in source irradiance. NE∆T indicates the required temperature difference of a particular pixel with respect to the background to obtain a signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) of unity

In short surfaces that are within a a quarter of a degree of one another have the same return(and depending on what is actually displayed it may be far worse), which is a magnitude worse than commercial gear from the late 90’s.

Sure with limits as above you will assuredly get passable contrast within a scene, but in no way shape or form will you retain details, and everything will be blown out and blobby.

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So after 6780 posts what’s the general consensus on this thing?

we found data on the seeker

what where

the brochure from earlier

image

The Kh-38MTE may have been hung off a plane at some point as of Zhuhai 2025, though it is hard to tell if it’s not just an Kh-38MLE with a bad angle.

oh yeah right the sensitivity and stuff
but there isnt zoom or thermal resolution
also compatibility is probably su-34 exclusive